Mailing list split

SDL Development
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allegro has three lists: one for general library discussions, one for
game development with allegro, and one for development of allegro itself.
A similar (but not necessarily identical) split would be
appropriate for SDL as well to keep volume down and reduce offtopic
nonsense

(this wouldn’t prevent people from ranting off on sidetracks but it would
give others more moral ammo to shoot them with)

for example this could include

sdl-devel SDL library development, patches, technical discussions
maybe also for real bug reports
sdl-bugs for bug reports, unless handled by sdl-devel
sdl-game game development with SDL, including game design, how to use
the library in an appropriate way
sdl-help help for people getting started
sdl a catch-all for everything else

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allegro has three lists: one for general library discussions, one
for game development with allegro, and one for development of
allegro itself. A similar (but not necessarily identical) split
would be appropriate for SDL as well to keep volume down and reduce
offtopic nonsense

That’s exactly what I meant. (“SDL-OT” was supposed to mean
"everything that’s somehow related to the SDL list members, SDL
projects etc, but not directly to SDL itself".)

(this wouldn’t prevent people from ranting off on sidetracks but it
would give others more moral ammo to shoot them with)

Yeah, and there would be a logical place to move the thread, rather
than dropping half of the interested readers when taking it off-line.

//David

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Way to many lists there Mattias. sdl-devel, sdl-game and sdl would be
more than enough, probably too much.On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 10:06:17AM +0100, Mattias wrote:

for example this could include

sdl-devel SDL library development, patches, technical discussions
maybe also for real bug reports
sdl-bugs for bug reports, unless handled by sdl-devel
sdl-game game development with SDL, including game design, how to use
the library in an appropriate way
sdl-help help for people getting started
sdl a catch-all for everything else
–
Martin
–
Bother, said Pooh as the VCR ate his favorite porno tape.

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Martin Donlon schrieb am 14 Mar 2001:

Way to many lists there Mattias. sdl-devel, sdl-game and sdl would be
more than enough, probably too much.

I agree. sdl-devel and sdl-users is enough.
Maybe a moderated sdl-announce.

  • Andreas
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There is one already, you dolt:)On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 01:54:54PM +0100, Andreas Umbach wrote:

Martin Donlon schrieb am 14 Mar 2001:

Way to many lists there Mattias. sdl-devel, sdl-game and sdl would be
more than enough, probably too much.

I agree. sdl-devel and sdl-users is enough.
Maybe a moderated sdl-announce.
–
Martin
–
Bother, said Pooh as he found that he had gonorrhea.

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FYI, there used to be a split exactly like that, but nobody ever used
the right list, so after long discussion, we merged the lists. What I’d
like to see instead is people discuss things offline when they go off topic
and then post summaries of the interesting bits.

See ya!
-Sam Lantinga, Lead Programmer, Loki Entertainment Software

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FYI, there used to be a split exactly like that, but nobody ever used
the right list, so after long discussion, we merged the lists. What I’d
like to see instead is people discuss things offline when they go off topic
and then post summaries of the interesting bits.

Hehe… dumbass… You expect people to do WORK? :wink:

(btw, Brad Giles popped up at the “Intro to Linux” class I taught last
week here in Davis… he mentioned he was your roommate once. Damn,
everybody knew you around here! :slight_smile: You’re almost as famous as
Reinhard Pribish!)

obsdl: I got my Linux Agenda the other day. Still learning, but
hoping to begin porting one of my smaller SDL games to it…
I’ll have to see if I can hack SDL to work on it (me? yeah, right!)

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Well, the only problem is to get the right addresses into that CC line when
there are more than two persons active in the thread. I was thinking along
the lines of using a “clip board” list for that, although that doesn’t work
very well with e-mail based lists… (Subscription/unsubscription would have
to be very fast and easy - still without making it a spam collector!)

A web based forum would be more suitable - but most people (myself included)
aren’t very fond of those for various reasons. They’re also more work to set
up, unless considering “free” (if you accept being spammed) services, of
course.

One could hack a custom forum client using SDL, though - with all sorts of
fancy features, of course. :wink:

Seriously, a very nice side effect of such a solution is that you can have
graphics, sound, a consistent UI and everything, even without being forced to
use a windowed desktop environment. Are there any standard protocols (and
server software) that would be suitable for something like that?

//David

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----------------------> http://www.linuxaudiodev.com/maia -' .- David Olofson -------------------------------------------. | Audio Hacker - Open Source Advocate - Singer - Songwriter |--------------------------------------> david at linuxdj.com -'On Wednesday 14 March 2001 18:39, Sam Lantinga wrote:

What I’d
like to see instead is people discuss things offline when they go off topic
and then post summaries of the interesting bits.

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One could hack a custom forum client using SDL, though - with all sorts of
fancy features, of course. :wink:
Seriously, a very nice side effect of such a solution is that you can have
graphics, sound, a consistent UI and everything, even without being forced
to
use a windowed desktop environment. Are there any standard protocols (and
server software) that would be suitable for something like that?

How about NNTP? :stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously, with a news reader you can ignore entire conversations or only
keep messages that are interesting. I’m using news.lokigames.com and it is
working out great for me: I recommend anybody else with high sensitivity to
"drifting" unsubscribe themselves from the mailing list and use the
newsgroup option instead.–

Olivier A. Dagenais - Software Architect and Developer

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What about IRC? Wouldn’t that be a great idea?
Maybe someone should start an #sdl channel on irc.openprojects.net?On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:37:30AM -0800, Olivier Dagenais wrote:

One could hack a custom forum client using SDL, though - with all sorts of
fancy features, of course. :wink:
Seriously, a very nice side effect of such a solution is that you can have
graphics, sound, a consistent UI and everything, even without being forced
to
use a windowed desktop environment. Are there any standard protocols (and
server software) that would be suitable for something like that?

How about NNTP? :stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously, with a news reader you can ignore entire conversations or only
keep messages that are interesting. I’m using news.lokigames.com and it is
working out great for me: I recommend anybody else with high sensitivity to
"drifting" unsubscribe themselves from the mailing list and use the
newsgroup option instead.

–

Olivier A. Dagenais - Software Architect and Developer

–
Martin

Bother! said Pooh, as his brain was sucked out.

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What about IRC? Wouldn’t that be a great idea?
Maybe someone should start an #sdl channel on irc.openprojects.net?

Too real time to be an alternative to a board, list or newsground I think,
but it’s still a nice idea. (I try to stay away from IRC, though… :wink:

use a windowed desktop environment. Are there any standard protocols
(and server software) that would be suitable for something like that?

How about NNTP? :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking about actually, perhaps together with IRC to
produce something like a web community without the “web”.

Seriously, with a news reader you can ignore entire conversations or only
keep messages that are interesting. I’m using news.lokigames.com and it
is working out great for me: I recommend anybody else with high
sensitivity to “drifting” unsubscribe themselves from the mailing list
and use the newsgroup option instead.

Sure, but it’s kind of like saying “We want more noise here, so those who
want no change should move to the newsgroup.” Not very nice, eh? :wink:

//David

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----------------------> http://www.linuxaudiodev.com/maia -' .- David Olofson -------------------------------------------. | Audio Hacker - Open Source Advocate - Singer - Songwriter |--------------------------------------> david at linuxdj.com -'On Wednesday 14 March 2001 21:09, Martin Donlon wrote:

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One could hack a custom forum client using SDL, though - with all sorts of
fancy features, of course. :wink:

Seriously, a very nice side effect of such a solution is that you can have
graphics, sound, a consistent UI and everything, even without being forced to
use a windowed desktop environment. Are there any standard protocols (and
server software) that would be suitable for something like that?

laughs – Damn near every casual remark on this list turns into some
neat project idea (using SDL, of course)! It’s inspiring.

LyleOn Wed, 14 Mar 2001, David Olofson wrote:

//David

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Of course! I mean, it’s not like we’re trying to set a world record in OT
posting or anything. :wink: (We could, very easily, I think, if we haven’t
already.)

Anyway, I’ve actually thought about hacking something like that up for a long
time (each iteration designed for my current favourite development tools, of
course), but just never got around to it. (Strange, eh…) SDL seems to be
the most suitable tool I’ve seen so far for the design I have in mind.

I’ve considered Delphi, gcc/GTK+, various script based cores, java etc, but
all of those solve just a few of the many problems, while SDL with extension
libs, and perhaps a parser generated by yacc/bison, pretty much covers all of
it.

Not that I’m about to invent a new, serious browser standard or anything!
Just want to hack away some, just for fun… Crazy ideas are welcome! :slight_smile:

off to have a closer look at the SDL_net stuff

//David

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----------------------> http://www.linuxaudiodev.com/maia -' .- David Olofson -------------------------------------------. | Audio Hacker - Open Source Advocate - Singer - Songwriter |--------------------------------------> david at linuxdj.com -'On Wednesday 14 March 2001 23:52, Lyle Hanson wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, David Olofson wrote:

One could hack a custom forum client using SDL, though - with all sorts
of fancy features, of course. :wink:

Seriously, a very nice side effect of such a solution is that you can
have graphics, sound, a consistent UI and everything, even without being
forced to use a windowed desktop environment. Are there any standard
protocols (and server software) that would be suitable for something like
that?

laughs – Damn near every casual remark on this list turns into some
neat project idea (using SDL, of course)! It’s inspiring.