No support libraries for VC++ 6.0?

There is an SDL main library package for VC++ 6.0, but no corresponding packages for SDL_mixer, SDL_image, or SDL_net. Why provide one but not the others? This is sort of like having a carriage with no horses, or a car with no tires.

If I am going to be required to compile them myself at every release, is that going to be possible using only Visual C++ 6.0? Is it going to be guaranteed to work out of the zip, or am I going to have to try to fix a bunch of compilation errors that I have no idea about due to lack of official support? Is support going to be phased out completely in the near future?

If the solution to this is going to be, “Please stay with 1.2.11 for the time being,” then please kindly direct me to where I can still download the previous versions of the support libraries that don’t require VC++ 8.0 :slight_smile: I am in particular need of the 6.0 development package for SDL_net.

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Hello !

This is sort of like having a carriage with no horses, or a car with no tires.

This is not really true, as VC 6 is
really an old version of VC now.
But i know that many people still use it,
just because of dependencys of the new VC ones.

CU

It is absolutely true in so far as I desire to continue compiling my fully-featured game engine projects under Visual C++ – Eternity Engine uses SDL_mixer and soon will also use SDL_net, and Halif Engine uses SDL_mixer and SDL_image. If support was being dropped, then there’s no need for there to be a 6.0 main library package at all IMO. I appreciate that there is still one, of course, but without support libraries it’s useless to me.

My other questions remain to be answered :)> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:51:29 +0200

From: wizard at syntheticsw.com
To: sdl at lists.libsdl.org
Subject: Re: [SDL] No support libraries for VC++ 6.0?

Hello !

This is sort of like having a carriage with no horses, or a car with no tires.

This is not really true, as VC 6 is
really an old version of VC now.
But i know that many people still use it,
just because of dependencys of the new VC ones.

CU


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It is absolutely true in so far as I desire to continue compiling my fully-featured game engine projects under Visual C++ – Eternity Engine uses SDL_mixer and soon will also use SDL_net, and Halif Engine uses SDL_mixer and SDL_image. If support was being dropped, then there’s no need for there to be a 6.0 main library package at all IMO. I appreciate that there is still one, of course, but without support libraries it’s useless to me.

I believe the VC8 packages will work with VC6. The main SDL library needed
separate packages because of SDLmain.lib, which has code instead of being a
simple import library.

If you run into problems, please let me know, and you can just compile them
from source.

See ya!
-Sam Lantinga, Lead Software Engineer, Blizzard Entertainment

Thanks, everything seems to work great!

We may look into upgrading to 8.0 soon though, since 6.0 is getting so old. This’ll give us more time to think about it at least, though :slight_smile:

Yours,
James Haley> To: sdl at lists.libsdl.org

From: slouken at devolution.com
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:30:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [SDL] No support libraries for VC++ 6.0?

It is absolutely true in so far as I desire to continue compiling my fully-featured game engine projects under Visual C++ – Eternity Engine uses SDL_mixer and soon will also use SDL_net, and Halif Engine uses SDL_mixer and SDL_image. If support was being dropped, then there’s no need for there to be a 6.0 main library package at all IMO. I appreciate that there is still one, of course, but without support libraries it’s useless to me.

I believe the VC8 packages will work with VC6. The main SDL library needed
separate packages because of SDLmain.lib, which has code instead of being a
simple import library.

If you run into problems, please let me know, and you can just compile them
from source.

See ya!
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Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now
seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we
received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.

Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write
modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there
other solutions we should look into?

I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently
still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable
solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows
development.

Thanks in advance,
chaz

[…]

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We
have Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles,
gcc, and Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how
to use them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We
use C++ with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

Why not just stick with the tools you’re used to? :slight_smile:
http://www.cygwin.com/
http://www.mingw.org/

Or, just cross compile the Windows binaries from Linux or OS X.

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For SDL, I still use VC6 (from Visual Studio 97). I’ve not targeted Vista,
yet, so I can’t speak for builds for that OS. I find VC6 without all the
.net and other stuff installed provides a cleaner environment for SDL. I
don’t use the VC++ IDE, however, and use Visual Slickedit for my code
editing.

I tried getting into Bloodshed, the cygwin, mingw, and other build tools,
but they all seemed like hack jobs to me :(. But I’ve been biased against
gcc-esque stuff on windows ever since the 1997/1998 days when it was indeed
a hack job – modern implementations are undoubtedly much more sound.

I’ve had no problems with the VC6 approach on Win2k and WinXP.

-Will

Hi,

I’ve been really happy using Code::Blocks for the past year or so. I think some of the Dev-C++ developers jumped ship to CB as well. You’ll need a compiler like mingw to plug into it and it feels pretty clean.

You can check it out at www.codeblocks.org but be careful. The release candidate is very old and not much better than Dev-C++. Instead, look for the nightly builds at forums.codeblocks.org.

Jonny D> From: onefriedrice at brokenzipper.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:14:37 -0600> To: sdl at lists.libsdl.org> Subject: [SDL] Inexpensive development tools.> > > Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:> > We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have > Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and > Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use > them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++ > with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?> > We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now > seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we > received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.> > Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write > modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there > other solutions we should look into?> > I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently > still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable > solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows > development.> > Thanks in advance,> chaz> > _______________________________________________> SDL mailing list> SDL at lists.libsdl.org> http://lists.libsdl.org/listinfo.cgi/sdl-libsdl.org


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We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

Visual C++ Express plus the Platform SDK basically gives you a free
download of what you would pay for in Visual Studio 2005 (well, all the
parts you’d probably care about, at least).

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa700735.aspx

–ryan.

I want to throw in another IDE:
Eclipse CDT
It’s very feature rich and like any Java-Application it’s portable. I’ve
been using it for years now and the current version gained a lot of
features and speed. You have to provide a compiler and usually you’re
doing best using a gcc-based compiler. With eclipse you can get
integrated SVN functionality (Subclipse) and i haven’t seen anything
comparable when it comes to debugging of multithreaded applications.
(And of course, its free)

Matthias

Charles McGarvey wrote:> Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now
seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we
received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.

Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write
modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there
other solutions we should look into?

I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently
still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable
solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows
development.

Thanks in advance,
chaz


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Matthias Weigand wrote:

I want to throw in another IDE:
Eclipse CDT
It’s very feature rich and like any Java-Application it’s portable. I’ve
been using it for years now and the current version gained a lot of
features and speed. You have to provide a compiler and usually you’re
doing best using a gcc-based compiler. With eclipse you can get
integrated SVN functionality (Subclipse) and i haven’t seen anything
comparable when it comes to debugging of multithreaded applications.
(And of course, its free)

http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/

Matthias

is it true that eclipse c++ comes with a plugin that allows code completion
ala intellisense or www.visualassist.com ? how good does it work?
and how fast is compilation compared to visual c++ 2005? imho visual c++ is
extremely fast, and in my own experience (years ago, though) gcc is sloooow.
i have a large project and i am considering switching, but it should
compile decently fast. currently i do that precompiled head trick to
accelerate compilation ALOT. also, incremental linking is really fast.
does gcc have incremental linking ?

and what about a refactoring plugin?>

Charles McGarvey wrote:

Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now
seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we
received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.

Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write
modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there
other solutions we should look into?

I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently
still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable
solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows
development.

Thanks in advance,
chaz


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Eclipse CDT has a code completion feature. Since CDT 4.0 this feature
got faster, fast enough i think, and is quite robust. It recognizes
operator overloading and preprocessor stuff.
gcc/g++ is indeed slow compared to microsoft’s c++ compiler. Of course
it supports incremental builds.
Refactoring is also part of Eclipse CDT, i haven’t used it yet.
I think there are howtos for integrating microsoft’s compiler.

Andre Krause wrote:> Matthias Weigand wrote:

I want to throw in another IDE:
Eclipse CDT
It’s very feature rich and like any Java-Application it’s portable. I’ve
been using it for years now and the current version gained a lot of
features and speed. You have to provide a compiler and usually you’re
doing best using a gcc-based compiler. With eclipse you can get
integrated SVN functionality (Subclipse) and i haven’t seen anything
comparable when it comes to debugging of multithreaded applications.
(And of course, its free)

http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/

Matthias

is it true that eclipse c++ comes with a plugin that allows code completion
ala intellisense or www.visualassist.com ? how good does it work?
and how fast is compilation compared to visual c++ 2005? imho visual c++ is
extremely fast, and in my own experience (years ago, though) gcc is sloooow.
i have a large project and i am considering switching, but it should
compile decently fast. currently i do that precompiled head trick to
accelerate compilation ALOT. also, incremental linking is really fast.
does gcc have incremental linking ?

and what about a refactoring plugin?

Charles McGarvey wrote:

Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now
seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we
received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.

Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write
modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there
other solutions we should look into?

I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently
still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable
solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows
development.

Thanks in advance,
chaz


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You can also install the new Windows development SDK which includes
the Platform SDK as well as the command line version of Microsoft’s
compilers.

And then complement it with Eclipse or Netbeans as IDE.

SDK
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=C2B1E300-F358-4523-B479-F53D234CDCCF&displaylang=en

MSDN TV video about it
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0b5be7a-2a03-4c59-b927-7093a95848ec&DisplayLang=en

Cheers,
Paulo

Quoting Andre Krause :> Matthias Weigand wrote:

I want to throw in another IDE:
Eclipse CDT
It’s very feature rich and like any Java-Application it’s portable. I’ve
been using it for years now and the current version gained a lot of
features and speed. You have to provide a compiler and usually you’re
doing best using a gcc-based compiler. With eclipse you can get
integrated SVN functionality (Subclipse) and i haven’t seen anything
comparable when it comes to debugging of multithreaded applications.
(And of course, its free)

http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/

Matthias

is it true that eclipse c++ comes with a plugin that allows code completion
ala intellisense or www.visualassist.com ? how good does it work?
and how fast is compilation compared to visual c++ 2005? imho visual c++ is
extremely fast, and in my own experience (years ago, though) gcc is sloooow.
i have a large project and i am considering switching, but it should
compile decently fast. currently i do that precompiled head trick to
accelerate compilation ALOT. also, incremental linking is really fast.
does gcc have incremental linking ?

and what about a refactoring plugin?

Charles McGarvey wrote:

Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now
seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we
received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.

Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write
modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there
other solutions we should look into?

I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently
still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable
solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows
development.

Thanks in advance,
chaz


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Paulo Pinto wrote:

You can also install the new Windows development SDK which includes
the Platform SDK as well as the command line version of Microsoft’s
compilers.

And then complement it with Eclipse or Netbeans as IDE.

SDK
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=C2B1E300-F358-4523-B479-F53D234CDCCF&displaylang=en

MSDN TV video about it
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0b5be7a-2a03-4c59-b927-7093a95848ec&DisplayLang=en

thanks alot, this sounds very interesting ! i will give it a shot.>

Cheers,
Paulo

Quoting Andre Krause <@Andre_Krause>:

Matthias Weigand wrote:

I want to throw in another IDE:
Eclipse CDT
It’s very feature rich and like any Java-Application it’s portable. I’ve
been using it for years now and the current version gained a lot of
features and speed. You have to provide a compiler and usually you’re
doing best using a gcc-based compiler. With eclipse you can get
integrated SVN functionality (Subclipse) and i haven’t seen anything
comparable when it comes to debugging of multithreaded applications.
(And of course, its free)

http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/

Matthias
is it true that eclipse c++ comes with a plugin that allows code completion
ala intellisense or www.visualassist.com ? how good does it work?
and how fast is compilation compared to visual c++ 2005? imho visual c++ is
extremely fast, and in my own experience (years ago, though) gcc is sloooow.
i have a large project and i am considering switching, but it should
compile decently fast. currently i do that precompiled head trick to
accelerate compilation ALOT. also, incremental linking is really fast.
does gcc have incremental linking ?

and what about a refactoring plugin?

Charles McGarvey wrote:

Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now
seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we
received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.

Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write
modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there
other solutions we should look into?

I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently
still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable
solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows
development.

Thanks in advance,
chaz


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Team-
I’ve got to say I agree with many professionals, who claim VC++6 is the best over all compiler ever made. I can’t imagine the need to use more than VC6, SDL 1.2.12, SDL_Net 1.2.6, SDL_Ttf 2.0.5, SDL_Mixer 1.2.6, and a couple more SDL_whatevers beyond some file functions and tweeks here and there to match everything to my specific needs. Latinga’s enterprise has made my life easy! I run my stuff on XP and Vista with very few issues.

also if this message messes up someone please let me know.

---- Andre Krause wrote:> Paulo Pinto wrote:

You can also install the new Windows development SDK which includes
the Platform SDK as well as the command line version of Microsoft’s
compilers.

And then complement it with Eclipse or Netbeans as IDE.

SDK
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=C2B1E300-F358-4523-B479-F53D234CDCCF&displaylang=en

MSDN TV video about it
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0b5be7a-2a03-4c59-b927-7093a95848ec&DisplayLang=en

thanks alot, this sounds very interesting ! i will give it a shot.

Cheers,
Paulo

Quoting Andre Krause :

Matthias Weigand wrote:

I want to throw in another IDE:
Eclipse CDT
It’s very feature rich and like any Java-Application it’s portable. I’ve
been using it for years now and the current version gained a lot of
features and speed. You have to provide a compiler and usually you’re
doing best using a gcc-based compiler. With eclipse you can get
integrated SVN functionality (Subclipse) and i haven’t seen anything
comparable when it comes to debugging of multithreaded applications.
(And of course, its free)

http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/

Matthias
is it true that eclipse c++ comes with a plugin that allows code completion
ala intellisense or www.visualassist.com ? how good does it work?
and how fast is compilation compared to visual c++ 2005? imho visual c++ is
extremely fast, and in my own experience (years ago, though) gcc is sloooow.
i have a large project and i am considering switching, but it should
compile decently fast. currently i do that precompiled head trick to
accelerate compilation ALOT. also, incremental linking is really fast.
does gcc have incremental linking ?

and what about a refactoring plugin?

Charles McGarvey wrote:

Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now
seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we
received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.

Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write
modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there
other solutions we should look into?

I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently
still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable
solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows
development.

Thanks in advance,
chaz


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What?On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:08:37 -0400 necronology at cox.net wrote:

I’ve got to say I agree with many professionals, who claim VC++6 is
the best over all compiler ever made.

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Team-
I’ve got to say I agree with many professionals, who claim VC++6 is the best over all compiler ever made. I can’t imagine the need to use more than VC6, SDL 1.2.12, SDL_Net 1.2.6, SDL_Ttf 2.0.5, SDL_Mixer 1.2.6, and a couple more SDL_whatevers beyond some file functions and tweeks here and there to match everything to my specific needs. Latinga’s enterprise has made my life easy! I run my stuff on XP and Vista with very few issues.

also if this message messes up someone please let me know.

---- Andre Krause wrote:

Paulo Pinto wrote:

You can also install the new Windows development SDK which includes
the Platform SDK as well as the command line version of Microsoft’s
compilers.

And then complement it with Eclipse or Netbeans as IDE.

SDK
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=C2B1E300-F358-4523-B479-F53D234CDCCF&displaylang=en

MSDN TV video about it
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0b5be7a-2a03-4c59-b927-7093a95848ec&DisplayLang=en

thanks alot, this sounds very interesting ! i will give it a shot.

Cheers,
Paulo

Quoting Andre Krause :

Matthias Weigand wrote:

I want to throw in another IDE:
Eclipse CDT
It’s very feature rich and like any Java-Application it’s portable. I’ve
been using it for years now and the current version gained a lot of
features and speed. You have to provide a compiler and usually you’re
doing best using a gcc-based compiler. With eclipse you can get
integrated SVN functionality (Subclipse) and i haven’t seen anything
comparable when it comes to debugging of multithreaded applications.
(And of course, its free)

http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/

Matthias
is it true that eclipse c++ comes with a plugin that allows code completion
ala intellisense or www.visualassist.com ? how good does it work?
and how fast is compilation compared to visual c++ 2005? imho visual c++ is
extremely fast, and in my own experience (years ago, though) gcc is sloooow.
i have a large project and i am considering switching, but it should
compile decently fast. currently i do that precompiled head trick to
accelerate compilation ALOT. also, incremental linking is really fast.
does gcc have incremental linking ?

and what about a refactoring plugin?

Charles McGarvey wrote:

Speaking of VC++ 6.0, and I hope this isn’t too far off-topic:

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We have
Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles, gcc, and
Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how to use
them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We use C++
with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

We’ve tried Dev-C++ which seems okay but a little buggy and now
seemingly not developed. We also already have VC++ 6.0 which we
received a long time ago for something, but we’ve never used it.

Seeing as how both of these packages are dated, can/should we write
modern (Vista) release-quality apps using one of these? Are there
other solutions we should look into?

I suppose VC++ 6.0 still works because the other poster apparently
still uses it, so I’m just verifying if it is indeed a reasonable
solution for modern SDL development. Forgive my ignorance of Windows
development.

Thanks in advance,
chaz


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I have used both Eclipse and Visual C++ (2005 and Beta for 2008) and I
actually like both - both are quite fast (although Visual C++'s
Intellisense is a tad slow on picking up your code). Eclipse is “the
best IDE”, according to many of my peers, although I think it is nice,
but not the best (then again, it is taking me a bit of trouble switching
over from VC++ to Eclipse, but we’ll see).

Being able to place the Microsoft Compiler in Eclipse, though, might be
an iron-clad battle tactic in that we can compile with GCC and with
Microsoft’s Compiler to ensure satisfaction with both, although I will
look into how to do this at some point.
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How many compilers have you actually used?

There’s no such thing as “the best”. It is to some extent a matter of opinion,
as is who is or is not a “professional”.

I’ve used many different compilers in many different settings, including
various versions of Microsoft compilers. Keeping in mind that it’s somewhat a
matter of opinion, I have to say that I detest having to use Microsoft tools.
I’ve yet to use any that aren’t (in my opinion) crap. Unmitigated crap.

It’s certainly feasible that some vendor somewhere has produced a compiler
worse than Microsoft’s, though I haven’t seen any yet.

My 2 cents,
JeffOn Mon October 15 2007 11:08, necronology at cox.net wrote:

Team-
I’ve got to say I agree with many professionals, who claim VC++6 is the
best over all compiler ever made.

[…]

We’re looking for inexpensive development tools for Windows. We
have Linux and Mac OS X background, so we love and use Makefiles,
gcc, and Xcode which are good because they’re free and we know how
to use them. Plus we don’t have a lot of cash to throw around. We
use C++ with SDL. Can anyone suggest something for Windows?

Why not just stick with the tools you’re used to? :slight_smile:
http://www.cygwin.com/
http://www.mingw.org/

Thank you all for adding your thoughts. I haven’t yet been able to
try every solution suggested, but I’ve saved the list and I’ll
continue to consider the options.

After reading this suggestion, I was glad to find out gcc was
available on Windows. I was able to compile one of our projects on
Windows in a matter of hours after making a change in one source file
and altering the Makefile significantly (but not too much). Overall
I’m pleased with the results. Vim is my “IDE” of choice, so for now
I’m just using MinGW directly and thru Vim, but eventually I’ll look
into Code::Blocks and also Eclipse, which I am already somewhat
familiar with.

Again, thanks a lot for the comments,
chaz

PS- I also installed VC++ 6.0 to try it out, but I couldn’t get it to
even start compiling the project because we have source files with
the same name but in different sub-directories. It complained
because the output object files of the two source files with the same
name would both be put in the ‘Debug’ directory as the same file.
Apparently it wants to put all intermediate object files in that
directory, and it can’t automatically handle name collisions.

This behavior seems kind of brain-dead to me. I don’t want to rename
project files, but maybe there’s some workaround? Or perhaps this
stupidity is fixed in a VC++ 6.0 update? Speaking of which, are
there updates or “service packs” for Visual Studio? I can’t find
anything on Google about it. Again, excuse my ignorance of Windows,
and I won’t drag this out any further since these questions have
gotten off-topic.On Oct 14, 2007, at 8:29 PM, David Olofson wrote:

On Monday 15 October 2007, Charles McGarvey wrote: