Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in the current format.
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I’m rather happy that the old format is still available… I have no
prob with including both, but please keep the old one alive for a
while… I’m still on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay
back compatibility :-(On 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying to have to
convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the SVN. Given that
VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in the current
format.Many thanks.
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I don’t have many projects. But I’m happy that I don’t need a new compipiler when I want to try new SDL.
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I’m rather happy that the old format
is still available… I have no prob with including both,
but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m still
on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibilityOn 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as
the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying
to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the
SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in
the current format.Many thanks.
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VC2008 Express is freeeeee and fairly small. Does everything full VS2008 does
minus some advanced features that when modifying SDL, you’re unlikely to
need. Once SDL is compiled into a .dll then it doesn’t really matter what
version you use with it.
Phuoc Can Hua wrote:>
Me too.
I don’t have many projects. But I’m happy that I don’t need a new
compipiler when I want to try new SDL./_/_/_/_/_/_
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I’m rather happy that the old format
is still available… I have no prob with including both,
but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m still
on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibilityOn 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as
the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying
to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the
SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in
the current format.Many thanks.
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I, personally, would not like to use a whole other IDE just to compile
one library, especially if I already had the full version of the one
I’m comfortable with (and already paid for). Besides including
project files from several versions, I think it’d be great for someone
to post SVN builds for Windows at regular intervals.
Jonny DOn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM, GMScribe<ali_lowe at sky.com> wrote:
VC2008 Express is freeeeee and fairly small. Does everything full VS2008 does
minus some advanced features that when modifying SDL, you’re unlikely to
need. Once SDL is compiled into a .dll then it doesn’t really matter what
version you use with it.Phuoc Can Hua wrote:
Me too.
I don’t have many projects. But I’m happy that I don’t need a new
compipiler when I want to try new SDL./_/_/_/_/_/_
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I’m rather happy that the old format
is still available… I have no prob with including both,
but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m still
on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibilityOn 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as
the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying
to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the
SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in
the current format.Many thanks.
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I agree. Add a VS2008 project/directory if you must, but please don’t
remove the VS2005 one to do it. VS2008 gains me nothing in terms of
actual usable improvements, and has a noticeable cost (relearning IDE,
etc).
-JustinOn Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM, jeroen clarysse<jeroen.clarysse at telenet.be> wrote:
I’m rather happy that the old format is still available… I have no prob
with including both, but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m
still on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back compatibility
On 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the SVN. Given that
VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in the current format.Many thanks.
VC2008 Express is freeeeee and fairly small. Does everything full VS2008 does
minus some advanced features that when modifying SDL, you’re unlikely to
need. Once SDL is compiled into a .dll then it doesn’t really matter what
version you use with it.
What you said is only true if you have a fast line with no transfer
cap. The actual download is just for the installer which then goes
over the net to get the rest of the package. How many days does it
take to install over a dial up line? How much hardware does it require
to run when you do get it?
It know just how hard it is to remember that the world is not like
your back yard. I made a comment just like yours once and was
contacted off list by a fellow who lived only a couple of hundred
miles from where I live in Central Texas. He pointed out that where he
lived the fastest Internet connection he could get was about 20kbps
dial up. He was lucky to own an old PC. There were no computer stores,
or book stores, Internet cafes, or libraries near where he lived. Hey,
even folks living in big US cities don’t always have access to things
many of us take for granted.
A lot of the world is a lot like east Texas, lots of people spread
over a very wide and mostly empty space with little access to what we
high tech city folk consider normal.
Bob PendletonOn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM, GMScribe<ali_lowe at sky.com> wrote:
Phuoc Can Hua wrote:
Me too.
I don’t have many projects. But I’m happy that I don’t need a new
compipiler when I want to try new SDL./_/_/_/_/_/_
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Subject: Re: [SDL] SDL 1.3 Windows Solution
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I’m rather happy that the old format
is still available… I have no prob with including both,
but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m still
on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibilityOn 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as
the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying
to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the
SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in
the current format.Many thanks.
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Ouch, though I do understand where you’re coming from. The download is around
83MB (off the top of my head guess), much smaller than a full VS, it’s why I
actually chose to use it over VS. The spec requirements are no different
from VS2005. No large changes other than a better compiler and plays
slightly better with Windows Vista (and I assume Windows 7).
I remember having 56k dial-up myself trying to download a few hundred meg. I
think it used to take up to a day and a download manager (due to D/C) to
grab 250MB.
Though these days you do at least have portable satellite, 3G/3.5G and WiMax
alternatives if you live far out. You can pick-up at least one almost
anywhere in the world.
Bob Pendleton wrote:>
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM, GMScribe<@GMScribe> wrote:
VC2008 Express is freeeeee and fairly small. Does everything full VS2008
does
minus some advanced features that when modifying SDL, you’re unlikely to
need. Once SDL is compiled into a .dll then it doesn’t really matter what
version you use with it.What you said is only true if you have a fast line with no transfer
cap. The actual download is just for the installer which then goes
over the net to get the rest of the package. How many days does it
take to install over a dial up line? How much hardware does it require
to run when you do get it?It know just how hard it is to remember that the world is not like
your back yard. I made a comment just like yours once and was
contacted off list by a fellow who lived only a couple of hundred
miles from where I live in Central Texas. He pointed out that where he
lived the fastest Internet connection he could get was about 20kbps
dial up. He was lucky to own an old PC. There were no computer stores,
or book stores, Internet cafes, or libraries near where he lived. Hey,
even folks living in big US cities don’t always have access to things
many of us take for granted.A lot of the world is a lot like east Texas, lots of people spread
over a very wide and mostly empty space with little access to what we
high tech city folk consider normal.Bob Pendleton
Phuoc Can Hua wrote:
Me too.
I don’t have many projects. But I’m happy that I don’t need a new
compipiler when I want to try new SDL./_/_/_/_/_/_
www.huaonline.com
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Subject: Re: [SDL] SDL 1.3 Windows Solution
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I’m rather happy that the old format
is still available… I have no prob with including both,
but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m still
on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibilityOn 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as
the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying
to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the
SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in
the current format.Many thanks.
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Hi, gents,
I am an avid programmer, but live in the middle of nowhere (“the
sticks”), and I can tell you, anything over 5megs isn’t worth
downloading. If we’re trying to get a different build format, you’d
be better off trying to get Code::Blocks or Dev-Cpp, which are
reasonable downloads on all networking plateaus (dialup, mid/hi speed,
etc).
All I know is the population that has hi speed is considerably less
than the population with dial up. And most people aren’t going to
shell out $200/month for a satellite. Or the $100 for a usb-dongle
for using the internet via cell networks.
-AlexOn 8/19/09, GMScribe <ali_lowe at sky.com> wrote:
Ouch, though I do understand where you’re coming from. The download is
around
83MB (off the top of my head guess), much smaller than a full VS, it’s why I
actually chose to use it over VS. The spec requirements are no different
from VS2005. No large changes other than a better compiler and plays
slightly better with Windows Vista (and I assume Windows 7).I remember having 56k dial-up myself trying to download a few hundred meg. I
think it used to take up to a day and a download manager (due to D/C) to
grab 250MB.Though these days you do at least have portable satellite, 3G/3.5G and WiMax
alternatives if you live far out. You can pick-up at least one almost
anywhere in the world.Bob Pendleton wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM, GMScribe<ali_lowe at sky.com> wrote:
VC2008 Express is freeeeee and fairly small. Does everything full VS2008
does
minus some advanced features that when modifying SDL, you’re unlikely to
need. Once SDL is compiled into a .dll then it doesn’t really matter what
version you use with it.What you said is only true if you have a fast line with no transfer
cap. The actual download is just for the installer which then goes
over the net to get the rest of the package. How many days does it
take to install over a dial up line? How much hardware does it require
to run when you do get it?It know just how hard it is to remember that the world is not like
your back yard. I made a comment just like yours once and was
contacted off list by a fellow who lived only a couple of hundred
miles from where I live in Central Texas. He pointed out that where he
lived the fastest Internet connection he could get was about 20kbps
dial up. He was lucky to own an old PC. There were no computer stores,
or book stores, Internet cafes, or libraries near where he lived. Hey,
even folks living in big US cities don’t always have access to things
many of us take for granted.A lot of the world is a lot like east Texas, lots of people spread
over a very wide and mostly empty space with little access to what we
high tech city folk consider normal.Bob Pendleton
Phuoc Can Hua wrote:
Me too.
I don’t have many projects. But I’m happy that I don’t need a new
compipiler when I want to try new SDL./_/_/_/_/_/_
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Subject: Re: [SDL] SDL 1.3 Windows Solution
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I’m rather happy that the old format
is still available… I have no prob with including both,
but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m still
on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibilityOn 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as
the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying
to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the
SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in
the current format.Many thanks.
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All I know is the population that has hi speed is considerably less
than the population with dial up.
Reference, please? I just did a couple quick searches on
WIkipedia and came up with approximately 22% of the USA having
broadband and only 10% (and falling) still on dialup.
(Which makes me wonder what the other 68% of people are doing…)>----- Original Message ----
From: Alex Barry <alex.barry at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SDL] SDL 1.3 Windows Solution
Hello !
I remember having 56k dial-up myself trying to download a few hundred meg. I
think it used to take up to a day and a download manager (due to D/C) to
grab 250MB.
I remember my Dial Up years also :
Download Speed :
20 MB / hour, 56k
25 MB / hour, Single Channel ISDN
Upload Speed :
10 MB / hour, 56k
25 MB / hour, Single Channel ISDN
Though these days you do at least have portable satellite, 3G/3.5G and WiMax
alternatives if you live far out. You can pick-up at least one almost
anywhere in the world.
You are wrong in that point. Germany, my home country,
for people it does not belong to the so called third world.
Even there, when you are outside of the big cities,
there are areas where you don’t have WiMax or 3G.
Satelite Access is available, but is not a good option.
A DialUp flat in Germany cost about 113 US Dollars, no joking.
CU
I do quite like code blocks and agree that something like this would be a
good way to go to unifying the SDL projects for different OS’s. It’s
compatible with the VC++ Compiler (which I would like to use for its
performance in windows). I think this is potentially a very good idea in
making steps towards reducing the overall project size required and thus the
SDL download size. I’m not a big fan of Dev-Cpp though.
If the above could be adopted successfully then I’d be completely happy.
to access SDL from Windows without paying any money. My current choice is
some form of visual studio. Immediately I realise the only free version is
Express and that the only supported version available on Microsoft’s website
for quick download is VC2008 (granted 2005 could be downloaded elsewhere,
with a slower compiler, questionable debugger and requires a slight fiddle
to play nice with vista if I remember).>From my point of view, and I assume the view of more users than none, I want
On the note of faster internet, I pay maybe ?10 a month for 8MB broadband, limited by my exchange speed. The ?10 is a package deal, normally I’d be looking at around ?15 a month (yes UK). Given that you can buy a 3G dongle for sub $100 and then use it on a pay and go or contract basis the pricing isn’t that bad. I in fact use my own phone and contract for 3.5G services at no extra apparent cost with an unlimited bandwidth fair usage policy, the contract covering the cost of the phone and the internet included in my package. Certainly over here you can get a suitably fast satellite package closer to $90 rather than $200 (still not very cheap I agree though I’ve not shopped around). My general overall feel for this argument is where should the line be drawn? Users still have SDL 1.2 as fallback for VS2005 project support, they could potentially have faster internet service at a one off sub $100 and say Xcents BW to download a new compiler or using a download manager etc could run the download in the background for a few days at low priority on dial-up. If none of these options are good enough and SDL should be catered to users that can’t/won’t meet these possabilities why aren’t we funding the free laptop for everyone campaign and posting SDL on a disk to everyone in Africa so that they can access current revisions? I don’t think I’m being mean or anything, I mean I’ve used 9.6k and up modems until the advent of broadband and had to cope with large downloads. Whilst I can see some people may wish for old project settings to work with their paid for full VC/VS suites, I just can’t see download size as being a viable reason not to change to a newer project format. But again in summary, really like the CodeBlocks idea, there’s very little downside to a big upside. Alex Barry wrote:
Hi, gents,
I am an avid programmer, but live in the middle of nowhere (“the
sticks”), and I can tell you, anything over 5megs isn’t worth
downloading. If we’re trying to get a different build format, you’d
be better off trying to get Code::Blocks or Dev-Cpp, which are
reasonable downloads on all networking plateaus (dialup, mid/hi speed,
etc).All I know is the population that has hi speed is considerably less
than the population with dial up. And most people aren’t going to
shell out $200/month for a satellite. Or the $100 for a usb-dongle
for using the internet via cell networks.-Alex
On 8/19/09, GMScribe <@GMScribe> wrote:
Ouch, though I do understand where you’re coming from. The download is
around
83MB (off the top of my head guess), much smaller than a full VS, it’s
why I
actually chose to use it over VS. The spec requirements are no different
from VS2005. No large changes other than a better compiler and plays
slightly better with Windows Vista (and I assume Windows 7).I remember having 56k dial-up myself trying to download a few hundred
meg. I
think it used to take up to a day and a download manager (due to D/C) to
grab 250MB.Though these days you do at least have portable satellite, 3G/3.5G and
WiMax
alternatives if you live far out. You can pick-up at least one almost
anywhere in the world.Bob Pendleton wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM, GMScribe<@GMScribe> wrote:
VC2008 Express is freeeeee and fairly small. Does everything full
VS2008
does
minus some advanced features that when modifying SDL, you’re unlikely
to
need. Once SDL is compiled into a .dll then it doesn’t really matter
what
version you use with it.What you said is only true if you have a fast line with no transfer
cap. The actual download is just for the installer which then goes
over the net to get the rest of the package. How many days does it
take to install over a dial up line? How much hardware does it require
to run when you do get it?It know just how hard it is to remember that the world is not like
your back yard. I made a comment just like yours once and was
contacted off list by a fellow who lived only a couple of hundred
miles from where I live in Central Texas. He pointed out that where he
lived the fastest Internet connection he could get was about 20kbps
dial up. He was lucky to own an old PC. There were no computer stores,
or book stores, Internet cafes, or libraries near where he lived. Hey,
even folks living in big US cities don’t always have access to things
many of us take for granted.A lot of the world is a lot like east Texas, lots of people spread
over a very wide and mostly empty space with little access to what we
high tech city folk consider normal.Bob Pendleton
Phuoc Can Hua wrote:
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I don’t have many projects. But I’m happy that I don’t need a new
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Subject: Re: [SDL] SDL 1.3 Windows Solution
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I’m rather happy that the old format
is still available… I have no prob with including both,
but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m still
on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibilityOn 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as
the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying
to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the
SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in
the current format.Many thanks.
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I do quite like code blocks and agree that something like this would be a
good way to go to unifying the SDL projects for different OS’s. It’s
compatible with the VC++ Compiler (which I would like to use for its
performance in windows). I think this is potentially a very good idea in
making steps towards reducing the overall project size required and thus the
SDL download size. I’m not a big fan of Dev-Cpp though.
Code blocks is a good choice I have used it in classes and it worked
well. Dev-Cpp has had not development for years and needs to be
forgotten.
If the above could be adopted successfully then I’d be completely happy.
to access SDL from Windows without paying any money. My current choice is
some form of visual studio. Immediately I realise the only free version is
Express and that the only supported version available on Microsoft’s website
for quick download is VC2008 (granted 2005 could be downloaded elsewhere,
with a slower compiler, questionable debugger and requires a slight fiddle
to play nice with vista if I remember).
Many of use are in that same situation.On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:22 PM, GMScribe<ali_lowe at sky.com> wrote:
From my point of view, and I assume the view of more users than none, I want
On the note of faster internet, I pay maybe ?10 a month for 8MB broadband, limited by my exchange speed. You are in the UK and in the EU. There is actually telecom competition there and a government that was not sold out to big corps for the last 8 years. The ?10 is a package deal, normally I’d be looking at around ?15 a month (yes UK). Given that you can buy a 3G dongle for sub $100 and then use it on a pay and go or contract basis the pricing isn’t that bad. I in fact use my own phone and contract for 3.5G services at no extra apparent cost with an unlimited bandwidth fair usage policy, the contract covering the cost of the phone and the internet included in my package. Certainly over here you can get a suitably fast satellite package closer to $90 rather than $200 (still not very cheap I agree though I’ve not shopped around). My total home telecom bill is $200 a month. That includes two voip lines, digital cable, and 10 MB Internet. I can’t really buy broadband Internet without having to also buy cable TV and/or telephone lines. WiMax and 3G are available, at very high prices with very low usage caps. The US has the highest wireless phone rates in the first world with the least choice in phones. Remember the same folks who authorized torturing prisoner sold all of US out when it came to giving the megacorps what ever they wanted. (Sorry about the political rant, but it is true no matter what side you are on.) My general overall feel for this argument is where should the line be drawn? There is no argument. I was just trying to get you to realize that you were telling many people the equivalent of “let them eat cake”. Users still have SDL 1.2 as fallback for VS2005 project support, they could potentially have faster internet service at a one off sub $100 and say Xcents BW to download a new compiler or using a download manager etc could run the download in the background for a few days at low priority on dial-up. If none of these options are good enough and SDL should be catered to users that can’t/won’t meet these possabilities why aren’t we funding the free laptop for everyone campaign and posting SDL on a disk to everyone in Africa so that they can access current revisions? Go for it. I don’t think I’m being mean or anything, I mean I’ve used 9.6k and up modems until the advent of broadband and had to cope with large downloads. Whilst I can see some people may wish for old project settings to work with their paid for full VC/VS suites, I just can’t see download size as being a viable reason not to change to a newer project format. But again in summary, really like the CodeBlocks idea, there’s very little downside to a big upside. So do I. Bob Pendleton Alex Barry wrote:
Hi, gents,
I am an avid programmer, but live in the middle of nowhere (“the
sticks”), and I can tell you, anything over 5megs isn’t worth
downloading. ?If we’re trying to get a different build format, you’d
be better off trying to get Code::Blocks or Dev-Cpp, which are
reasonable downloads on all networking plateaus (dialup, mid/hi speed,
etc).All I know is the population that has hi speed is considerably less
than the population with dial up. ?And most people aren’t going to
shell out $200/month for a satellite. ?Or the $100 for a usb-dongle
for using the internet via cell networks.-Alex
On 8/19/09, GMScribe <ali_lowe at sky.com> wrote:
Ouch, though I do understand where you’re coming from. The download is
around
83MB (off the top of my head guess), much smaller than a full VS, it’s
why I
actually chose to use it over VS. The spec requirements are no different
from VS2005. No large changes other than a better compiler and plays
slightly better with Windows Vista (and I assume Windows 7).I remember having 56k dial-up myself trying to download a few hundred
meg. I
think it used to take up to a day and a download manager (due to D/C) to
grab 250MB.Though these days you do at least have portable satellite, 3G/3.5G and
WiMax
alternatives if you live far out. You can pick-up at least one almost
anywhere in the world.Bob Pendleton wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM, GMScribe<ali_lowe at sky.com> wrote:
VC2008 Express is freeeeee and fairly small. Does everything full
VS2008
does
minus some advanced features that when modifying SDL, you’re unlikely
to
need. Once SDL is compiled into a .dll then it doesn’t really matter
what
version you use with it.What you said is only true if you have a fast line with no transfer
cap. The actual download is just for the installer which then goes
over the net to get the rest of the package. How many days does it
take to install over a dial up line? How much hardware does it require
to run when you do get it?It know just how hard it is to remember that the world is not like
your back yard. I made a comment just like yours once and was
contacted off list by a fellow who lived only a couple of hundred
miles from where I live in Central Texas. He pointed out that where he
lived the fastest Internet connection he could get was about 20kbps
dial up. He was lucky to own an old PC. There were no computer stores,
or book stores, Internet cafes, or libraries near where he lived. Hey,
even folks living in big US cities don’t always have access to things
many of us take for granted.A lot of the world is a lot like east Texas, lots of people spread
over a very wide and mostly empty space with little access to what we
high tech city folk consider normal.Bob Pendleton
Phuoc Can Hua wrote:
Me too.
I don’t have many projects. But I’m happy that I don’t need a new
compipiler when I want to try new SDL./_/_/_/_/_/_
www.huaonline.com
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From: jeroen clarysse <jeroen.clarysse at telenet.be>
Subject: Re: [SDL] SDL 1.3 Windows Solution
To: “A list for developers using the SDL library. (includes
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Received: Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 1:54 AM
I’m rather happy that the old format
is still available… I have no prob with including both,
but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m still
on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibilityOn 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as
the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying
to have to convert
the project each time I do a fresh checkout from the
SVN. Given that VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in
the current format.Many thanks.
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I went ahead and did this and added a 64-bit target in subversion:
http://www.libsdl.org/tmp/SDL-1.3.zip
Check out VisualC\SDL_VS2008.sln
See ya!On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Justin Coleman wrote:
I agree. Add a VS2008 project/directory if you must, but please don’t
remove the VS2005 one to do it. VS2008 gains me nothing in terms of
actual usable improvements, and has a noticeable cost (relearning IDE,
etc).-Justin
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM, jeroen clarysse<jeroen.clarysse at telenet.be> wrote:
I’m rather happy that the old format is still available… I have no prob
with including both, but please keep the old one alive for a while… I’m
still on VC 2003 on several projects that need waaaaaaay back
compatibility
On 18 Aug 2009, at 17:52, GMScribe wrote:
Hi guys,
Is there any reason why we’re still using VC2005 as the format for the
windows SDL 1.3 project? Only that it’s a bit annoying to have to
convertthe project each time I do a fresh checkout from the SVN. Given that
VC2008
Express is free I feel as though it may as well be in the current
format.Many thanks.
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