SDL and the iphone , a retraction

I had never said smalltalk was a bad language - I’ve heard great things about it.

My issue with Objective-C is only its syntax - smalltalk mixed with C just doesn’t look right to me (though it’s still easier on the eyes than brainfuck).
I tried learning Objective-C for Mac porting, even bought a book on it, but I just can’t get comfortable with the mixed syntax.

As for Objective-C not being popular outside the NeXT/Apple bubble; that’s probably for the same reason I stated. As great a language is it may be, C++ just makes more sense syntactically.

actually i prefer objc syntax than c++ one but it’s a matter of personal
taste.
I programmed in both languages (and something in java as well) – but i know
i would never ever abandon objc for any other object oriented language :slight_smile:
objc not being popular outside NS/Apple is because programming for NS/Apple
has never been popular until the advent of the iphone
There have been project that implemented the toolchain for non-apple
systems, like Cocotron and GnuStep, but they have too little manpower to
support anything functional.

bye
Vittorio

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  • "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I
    spend."On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:20 PM, nfries88 wrote:

I had never said smalltalk was a bad language - I’ve heard great things
about it.

My issue with Objective-C is only its syntax - smalltalk mixed with C just
doesn’t look right to me (though it’s still easier on the eyes than
brainfuck).
I tried learning Objective-C for Mac porting, even bought a book on it, but
I just can’t get comfortable with the mixed syntax.

As for Objective-C not being popular outside the NeXT/Apple bubble; that’s
probably for the same reason I stated. As great a language is it may be, C++
just makes more sense syntactically.


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Smalltalk is a great language, but its image concept does not sell well in
today systems. I think the only way it really works
well is in systems where the environment is the OS, like on the original
Smalltalk.

Its spirit lives on in Objective-C, Ruby and Groovy. At least in what
concerns mainstream languages. I know that there are
still quite a few people using Smalltalk nowadays.

In what concerns Objective-C, I do like the language. My first contact with
it, was on my last year at the university, where
I had to port a particle engine from Objective-C/NeXT to C++/Windows, and I
found the language quite nice.

It is not a language I care much nowadays, because I tend to use mainly
portable languages across OS, which unfortunately
is not the case for Objective-C (GNUStep != Cocoa, GNU ObjC != Apple ObjC
since v2.0).

But if I would only be working with MacOS X, then it would be for sure my
language of choice.–
Paulo

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:20 PM, nfries88 wrote:

I had never said smalltalk was a bad language - I’ve heard great things
about it.

My issue with Objective-C is only its syntax - smalltalk mixed with C just
doesn’t look right to me (though it’s still easier on the eyes than
brainfuck).
I tried learning Objective-C for Mac porting, even bought a book on it, but
I just can’t get comfortable with the mixed syntax.

As for Objective-C not being popular outside the NeXT/Apple bubble; that’s
probably for the same reason I stated. As great a language is it may be, C++
just makes more sense syntactically.


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[quote="an’t get comfortable with the mixed syntax.

As for Objective-C not being popular outside the NeXT/Apple bubble; that’s probably for the same reason I stated. As great a language is it may be, C++ just makes more sense syntactically.

I don’t know if its a good sign that the iphone has litterely pushed objective-c to the front of the class, but everytime I go to my local barnes & nobles their iphone objective-c section gets bigger and bigger. same is true of amazon.com

Also in the last couple months I’ve been approached by 3 major publishing companies, 1 about reviewing a iphone program book and the other 2 about actually contributiing to or writting an iphone book.

Also, even with the tight economy since about mid last year I’ve have over a dozen consulting offeres and a few full time job offers.

Seems like if you know objective-c , iphone right now, you definitely have some marketing advantage._______________________________________________
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Here in Germany there is a new magazine related to Mac development, which as
far as I know,
it is the first one about it, but it is 90% iPhone content actually.On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, michelleC wrote:

[quote="an’t get comfortable with the mixed syntax.

As for Objective-C not being popular outside the NeXT/Apple bubble; that’s
probably for the same reason I stated. As great a language is it may be, C++
just makes more sense syntactically.

I don’t know if its a good sign that the iphone has litterely pushed
objective-c to the front of the class, but everytime I go to my local barnes
& nobles their iphone objective-c section gets bigger and bigger. same is
true of amazon.com

Also in the last couple months I’ve been approached by 3 major publishing
companies, 1 about reviewing a iphone program book and the other 2 about
actually contributiing to or writting an iphone book.

Also, even with the tight economy since about mid last year I’ve have over
a dozen consulting offeres and a few full time job offers.

Seems like if you know objective-c , iphone right now, you definitely have
some marketing advantage.


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