It seems a lot of problems are to be had with getting
SDL to run on Linux-pmac.
Not anymore. 
But honestlyā¦how many people
out there are running Linux-pmac or MkLinux over BeOS PPC
which currently supports SDL? >:)
Unfortunately, there are some wrinkles in BeOS Release 3 that
I havenāt yet had time to iron out. Aside from a minor documented
bug, SDL for BeOS PR2 works very well.
Iād be doing more with SDL now, if I didnāt have an OpenGL
game due for my graphics class in 3 weeks.
Best wishes!
It seems a lot of problems are to be had with getting
SDL to run on Linux-pmac. But honestlyā¦how many people
out there are running Linux-pmac or MkLinux over BeOS PPC
which currently supports SDL? >:)
Wellā¦ Thereās me, and thereās Michael, and Josh, and Phil, and Mark, and
Chris, and Russell, and Jim, and others I donāt know about.
I think āofficialā estimates run at about 500000(based on the number of
linuxppc CDs sold).
How many running BeOS?
Iād be doing more with SDL now, if I didnāt have an OpenGL
game due for my graphics class in 3 weeks.
Yeah, know the problemā¦
njhOn Tue, 28 Apr 1998, David Sowsy wrote:
Too bad. 
Seems you people have a lot to look forward to (assuming
that work is being done on these things) with Linux on your hardware.
Yep, linux-pmac has as much cool stuff happening as linux-x86(and weāve
got a lot of catching up, stillā¦)
Xpmac is open source, Apple isnāt.
One reason not to buy Mac, at least in my opinion.
Yeah, itās a bit like all those partially supported graphics cards, sound
cards etcā¦ Oh and of course, thereās I2O, Mercedā¦
But perhaps this
is neither the time nor the place for one of those silly religious
warsā¦
Yeah, lets stick to SDL.
njhOn Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Emil Brink wrote:
Thereās always a time and place to openly slag the bastards at Apple.
Just make sure the nice ones there donāt hearā¦ 
njhOn Tue, 28 Apr 1998, David Sowsy wrote:
I think āofficialā estimates run at about 500000(based on the number of
linuxppc CDs sold).
How many running BeOS?
There were over 1 million CDās shippsed back in December, even before
the Intel release (so I;m guessing that covers from DR6 - DR9 Preview
Release 2. Iām guessing there are at least a million total in use
by now.
Iād be doing more with SDL now, if I didnāt have an OpenGL
game due for my graphics class in 3 weeks.
Yeah, know the problemā¦
Unfortunately, there are some wrinkles in BeOS Release 3 that
I havenāt yet had time to iron out.
PPC or Intel?
PPC. The intel release wonāt properly detect my hard drive geometry.
It seems to be a drive-specific problem, as someone else has reported
the same thing with the exact same drive.
My girlfriend is borrowing a drive from me that should work tho.
Aside from a minor documented
bug, SDL for BeOS PR2 works very well.
Ah, Iām awaiting my PPC R3, which bug are you referring to?
The bug where the event loop deadlocks if you set the video mode twice
in a row. This is only properly supported in SDL 0.6j, soon, soon!!
AFAIK, XPmac doesnāt do resolution switching(it relies on the screen being
set up by the kernel graphics console), and no hardware accelleration.
Too bad. Seems you people have a lot to look forward to (assuming
that work is being done on these things) with Linux on your hardware.
Hehā¦ Still trying to get a devel kernel to boot, with Geertās console,
so I can get XF86_fbdev to workā¦
If I can get dga going on Linux/Pmac, does anybody have any very simple
test routines available anywhere? (Does XFree86 have one?)
Iād use Maelstrom, but I know that it hangs before displaying the main
menu, because itās sound driver is broken. (Which the SDL sound driver
also seems to suffer from, according to some tests I did last nightā¦)
Xpmac is open source, Apple isnāt.
One reason not to buy Mac, at least in my opinion. But perhaps this
is neither the time nor the place for one of those silly religious
warsā¦
I have an ATI Mach64 in mine, which is about as open-source as VGA
hardware getsā¦ (Well, apart from the ET4000, which is obsolete now)
BTW, youāre lucky thereās no traditional Apple users out here, otherwise
youād have a gun to your head by now
Michael Samuel,
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WWW: http://www.surfnetcity.com.au/~michael/On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Emil Brink wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 njh at cs.monash.edu.au wrote:
It seems a lot of problems are to be had with getting
SDL to run on Linux-pmac. But honestlyā¦how many people
out there are running Linux-pmac or MkLinux over BeOS PPC
which currently supports SDL? >:)
Wellā¦ Thereās me, and thereās Michael, and Josh, and Phil, and Mark, and
Chris, and Russell, and Jim, and others I donāt know about.
I think āofficialā estimates run at about 500000(based on the number of
linuxppc CDs sold).
How many running BeOS?
One less these days: Iāve been a BeOS developer since the early days but
havenāt booted it in over half a year, as thereās no āfreeā development
environment available for it. These days, Linux is my OS of choice.
yours,
āphil.On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 njh at cs.monash.edu.au wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, David Sowsy wrote:
I think āofficialā estimates run at about 500000(based on the number of
linuxppc CDs sold).
How many running BeOS?
There were over 1 million CDās shippsed back in December, even before
the Intel release (so I;m guessing that covers from DR6 - DR9 Preview
Release 2. Iām guessing there are at least a million total in use
by now.
Yeah, itās hard to tell, coz both me and chris have bought the BeOS CD,
and neither of us actually use it. Itād be nice to get some real number
for these things, but I donāt know how.(If some one only uses their
computer for half the average usage time, is that only half usage?)
njhOn Tue, 28 Apr 1998, David Sowsy wrote:
I have an ATI Mach64 in mine, which is about as open-source as VGA
hardware getsā¦ (Well, apart from the ET4000, which is obsolete now)
BTW, youāre lucky thereās no traditional Apple users out here, otherwise
youād have a gun to your head by now
Wroight. Stick-em upā¦ Yeah mac users and windoze users are both
agravating: mac users know their OS is the best because itās done plug
and play etc for millions of years; windoze users know their OS is the
best because everyone uses itā¦ %sigh%
(Of course Linux users know their OS is best, cos they know every line of
source off by heartā¦
njhOn Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Michael Samuel wrote:
[loads and loads snipped]
BTW, youāre lucky thereās no traditional Apple users out here, otherwise
youād have a gun to your head by now
Well, I still own two Amigas, I guess that qualifies me as armed and
dangerous in that regard, too.
/EmilOn Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Michael Samuel wrote:
Yeah, itās hard to tell, coz both me and chris have bought the BeOS CD,
and neither of us actually use it.
Yeah, that happens a bitā¦a lot of people just let their BeOS CD
sit in favor of their āmore importantā Windows and MacOS because they
are apathetic to actually getting anything new done with BeOS and
would rather complain than roll code.
Itād be nice to get some real number
for these things, but I donāt know how.(If some one only uses their
computer for half the average usage time, is that only half usage?)
How do you define average usage time? Programmers use their machines
8-20 hours a dayā¦sometimes more (if the caffeinage count is
high).
Best Regards,
David> njh
How many running BeOS?
One less these days: Iāve been a BeOS developer since the early days but
havenāt booted it in over half a year, as thereās no āfreeā development
environment available for it.
You get what you pay for.
These days, Linux is my OS of choice.
Yeah, generally Linux people fall into the category of 'commie bastardsā
because theyāre too cheap to buy software, and it looks much better
to use free software than pirate commercial software.
Best Regards,
David> yours,
āphil.
These days, Linux is my OS of choice.
Yeah, generally Linux people fall into the category of 'commie bastardsā
because theyāre too cheap to buy software, and it looks much better
to use free software than pirate commercial software.
Some people just like to have the source code of their OS at handā¦ just
in case something goes wrong. When thereās a problem with Linux, I dig
through the source and fix it right away; Iād like to see someone do this
with a commercial OSā¦ If Iām not sure what an ioctl returns & how it
gets its information: guess whatā¦ I have the kernel source around & a
quick grep finds me the info I need.
Maybe that sort of thinking makes me a ācommie bastardā, but I donāt care.
But donāt misunderstand me, Iām not saying that Linux has less bugs (or
even less severe ones) than other OSs; Iām simply saying: I am not
dependent on someone else to fix a bug that bothers me.
cheers
āphil.
ps: if BeOS would only support COFF executables, we could use our good old
binutils (instead of some proprietary linker) to link there, as well. The
trouble is: how do you hack COFF executable support into an OS where the
the kernel source is proprietary?ā
.project: Reinventing the wheelā¦
Yeah, itās hard to tell, coz both me and chris have bought the BeOS CD,
and neither of us actually use it.
Yeah, that happens a bitā¦a lot of people just let their BeOS CD
sit in favor of their āmore importantā Windows and MacOS because they
are apathetic to actually getting anything new done with BeOS and
would rather complain than roll code.
Actually, it was more a case of Linux offered the same stuff on more of my
machines, and I like to have source to things.
Itād be nice to get some real number
for these things, but I donāt know how.(If some one only uses their
computer for half the average usage time, is that only half usage?)
How do you define average usage time? Programmers use their machines
8-20 hours a dayā¦sometimes more (if the caffeinage count is
high).
Precisely! If someone has a BeBox which has sat on the floor for 12
months, un run, does that count as a (1) usage?
Anyhow, BeOS is nice but a) it doesnāt offer me anything that linux
doesnāt offer b) it doesnāt run on sparcs and indys and 386s.
njh
p.s. I really like the sound architechture of the BeOS, anyone want to
port it to linux? Iāve got docs hereā¦ :-)On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, David Sowsy wrote:
p.s. I really like the sound architechture of the BeOS, anyone want to
port it to linux? Iāve got docs hereā¦
SDL supports the āIām a bucket in a chainā API, but in theory it could
get pretty slow.
Itās much faster to tweak the DMA buffer directly.
Of course, there are advantages to being able to play your own MIDI sound
files during your favorite gameā¦
NIN while playing Maelstrom anybody?
Anyhow, BeOS is nice but a) it doesnāt offer me anything that linux
doesnāt offer
It offers a new marketplace where you can actually make money on
software, not just the OS distributions and tech software.
b) it doesnāt run on sparcs and indys and 386s.
I agree here, I thought they shouldāve ported it to the Sparcs long
agoā¦But 386ās? How are you supposed to create a fresh new
OS while clinging to antiquated legacy hardware?
njh
p.s. I really like the sound architechture of the BeOS, anyone want to
port it to linux? Iāve got docs hereā¦
The x86 version does use lilo to load. If you can get BeOS to run
as a Linux task at a reasonable speed, Iād be interested in actually
spending a bit of time with that hack of an OS again.
Anyhow, BeOS is nice but a) it doesnāt offer me anything that linux
doesnāt offer
It offers a new marketplace where you can actually make money on
software, not just the OS distributions and tech software.
As you said in your previous post - most programmers are crap and canāt
write good code if it hit them over the head, so let the good ones write
good code, and the bad ones ācustomizeā. There are plenty of linux
programmers out there making money. Also, I found that having a
programming job really put me off programmingā¦
b) it doesnāt run on sparcs and indys and 386s.
I agree here, I thought they shouldāve ported it to the Sparcs long
agoā¦
Yep! They will, when the hardware spec is released.
But 386ās? How are you supposed to create a fresh new
OS while clinging to antiquated legacy hardware?
Well, I built a hacked down version on a 386 for a friend who just wants
to read email and surf the web(16MB of RAM in a 386!), and I have a 386
which looks after various tasks around the house, and I use a 386 to give
me a second console for debuggingā¦ To me I ask the inverse question,
how cool is an operating system which can be run in some form or other on
every machine you own without sacraficing anything!?!
horses, of courses! (hmmm
njhOn Thu, 30 Apr 1998, David Sowsy wrote: