Wiki etiquette

SDL Development
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http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/FrontPage

Last night someone changed the name of a link. I’m sure they thought
they were being helpful because the link name was misspelled. The basic
idea of a wiki is that when you see something wrong or that can be
improved, you don’t ask, you just fix it.

The trouble is that when you change the spelling of a link the page it
is linking to “goes away”. It can no longer be reached and the wiki is
waiting for you to create a new page with the new name.

From now on, before you change the contents of a link open the page it
links to in a different tab on your browser and change the page name to
match the new link name. (The rename function is now available at the
bottom of each page.) Also and this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT use the
search function to find everywhere that the page is linked to and update
those links too.

OTOH, when you are creating new links, spell check them before you
create the pages they link to. To make it easy to do that, lets use
links of the form [“this is a link”] rather than using the standard wiki
words that look like ThisIsALink. Spelling checkers work pretty well on
phrases but not so well on camel case :slight_smile:

	Bob Pendleton

P.S.

There are several helpful people currently adding pages to the
documentation wiki. The more help we get the faster it will be done.

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/FrontPage

Last night someone changed the name of a link. I’m sure they thought
they were being helpful because the link name was misspelled. The basic
idea of a wiki is that when you see something wrong or that can be
improved, you don’t ask, you just fix it.

The trouble is that when you change the spelling of a link the page it
is linking to “goes away”. It can no longer be reached and the wiki is
waiting for you to create a new page with the new name.

From now on, before you change the contents of a link open the page it
links to in a different tab on your browser and change the page name to
match the new link name. (The rename function is now available at the
bottom of each page.) Also and this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT use the
search function to find everywhere that the page is linked to and update
those links too.

OTOH, when you are creating new links, spell check them before you
create the pages they link to. To make it easy to do that, lets use
links of the form [“this is a link”] rather than using the standard wiki
words that look like ThisIsALink. Spelling checkers work pretty well on
phrases but not so well on camel case :slight_smile:

So, are we allowed to add new stuff yet ? I was thinking of writing
something about getting good performance.

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

Stephane

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Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

Why?On Aug 3, 2004, at 6:08 PM, Stephane Marchesin wrote:

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/FrontPage

Last night someone changed the name of a link. I’m sure they thought
they were being helpful because the link name was misspelled. The basic
idea of a wiki is that when you see something wrong or that can be
improved, you don’t ask, you just fix it.

The trouble is that when you change the spelling of a link the page it
is linking to “goes away”. It can no longer be reached and the wiki is
waiting for you to create a new page with the new name.

From now on, before you change the contents of a link open the page it
links to in a different tab on your browser and change the page name to
match the new link name. (The rename function is now available at the
bottom of each page.) Also and this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT use the
search function to find everywhere that the page is linked to and update
those links too.

OTOH, when you are creating new links, spell check them before you
create the pages they link to. To make it easy to do that, lets use
links of the form [“this is a link”] rather than using the standard wiki
words that look like ThisIsALink. Spelling checkers work pretty well on
phrases but not so well on camel case :slight_smile:

So, are we allowed to add new stuff yet ? I was thinking of writing
something about getting good performance.

Good question. The original idea was to move the existing documentation
to a wiki so that it can be maintained by the community. I don’t know
how Sam feels about having other material on the wiki.

It seems to me that there is no reason why you can’t add material to the
FAQ, where your material would fit very well, you could put it under the
examples page, or we can add a tutorial page.

If Sam objects to having other material on the wiki then we can move it
to another wiki. (It would be very welcome on gameprogrammer.com/gpwiki)

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user name.

	Bob PendletonOn Tue, 2004-08-03 at 17:08, Stephane Marchesin wrote:

Stephane

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1/ Is afaik for as far as i know ? i just guessed … I am not english
( just like otoh must be on the other hand )

2/ is the sdl wiki recent ? I haven’t been here for a while , i’ve never
noticed it

thx

les.

Bob Pendleton a ?crit :> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 17:08, Stephane Marchesin wrote:

Bob Pendleton wrote:

http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/FrontPage

Last night someone changed the name of a link. I’m sure they thought
they were being helpful because the link name was misspelled. The basic
idea of a wiki is that when you see something wrong or that can be
improved, you don’t ask, you just fix it.

The trouble is that when you change the spelling of a link the page it
is linking to “goes away”. It can no longer be reached and the wiki is
waiting for you to create a new page with the new name.

From now on, before you change the contents of a link open the page it
links to in a different tab on your browser and change the page name to
match the new link name. (The rename function is now available at the
bottom of each page.) Also and this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT use the
search function to find everywhere that the page is linked to and update
those links too.

OTOH, when you are creating new links, spell check them before you
create the pages they link to. To make it easy to do that, lets use
links of the form [“this is a link”] rather than using the standard wiki
words that look like ThisIsALink. Spelling checkers work pretty well on
phrases but not so well on camel case :slight_smile:

So, are we allowed to add new stuff yet ? I was thinking of writing
something about getting good performance.

Good question. The original idea was to move the existing documentation
to a wiki so that it can be maintained by the community. I don’t know
how Sam feels about having other material on the wiki.

It seems to me that there is no reason why you can’t add material to the
FAQ, where your material would fit very well, you could put it under the
examples page, or we can add a tutorial page.

If Sam objects to having other material on the wiki then we can move it
to another wiki. (It would be very welcome on gameprogrammer.com/gpwiki)

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user name.

  Bob Pendleton

Stephane

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

So, are we allowed to add new stuff yet ? I was thinking of writing
something about getting good performance.

Good question. The original idea was to move the existing documentation
to a wiki so that it can be maintained by the community. I don’t know
how Sam feels about having other material on the wiki.

It seems to me that there is no reason why you can’t add material to the
FAQ, where your material would fit very well, you could put it under the
examples page, or we can add a tutorial page.

Is there a special licence for the documentation (FDL) ?

Ciao–
Marco

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  1. yes
  2. it’s under construction

LesHauSsebons wrote:> 1/ Is afaik for as far as i know ? i just guessed … I am not english

( just like otoh must be on the other hand )

2/ is the sdl wiki recent ? I haven’t been here for a while , i’ve never
noticed it

thx

les.

Bob Pendleton a ?crit :

On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 17:08, Stephane Marchesin wrote:

Bob Pendleton wrote:

http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/FrontPage

Last night someone changed the name of a link. I’m sure they thought
they were being helpful because the link name was misspelled. The basic
idea of a wiki is that when you see something wrong or that can be
improved, you don’t ask, you just fix it.

The trouble is that when you change the spelling of a link the page it
is linking to “goes away”. It can no longer be reached and the wiki is
waiting for you to create a new page with the new name.

From now on, before you change the contents of a link open the page it

links to in a different tab on your browser and change the page name to
match the new link name. (The rename function is now available at the
bottom of each page.) Also and this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT use the
search function to find everywhere that the page is linked to and
update
those links too.

OTOH, when you are creating new links, spell check them before you
create the pages they link to. To make it easy to do that, lets use
links of the form [“this is a link”] rather than using the standard
wiki
words that look like ThisIsALink. Spelling checkers work pretty well on
phrases but not so well on camel case :slight_smile:

So, are we allowed to add new stuff yet ? I was thinking of writing
something about getting good performance.

Good question. The original idea was to move the existing documentation
to a wiki so that it can be maintained by the community. I don’t know
how Sam feels about having other material on the wiki.
It seems to me that there is no reason why you can’t add material to the
FAQ, where your material would fit very well, you could put it under the
examples page, or we can add a tutorial page.

If Sam objects to having other material on the wiki then we can move it
to another wiki. (It would be very welcome on gameprogrammer.com/gpwiki)

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user name.

    Bob Pendleton

Stephane

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1/ Is afaik for as far as i know ?

Correct.

i just guessed … I am not english

Neither am I. My understanding is that most English speakers are not
English. :slight_smile:

( just like otoh must be on the other hand )

2/ is the sdl wiki recent ? I haven’t been here for a while , i’ve never
noticed it

Yep, just brought it up this week.

	Bob PendletonOn Wed, 2004-08-04 at 10:30, LesHauSsebons wrote:

thx

les.

Bob Pendleton a ?crit :

On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 17:08, Stephane Marchesin wrote:

Bob Pendleton wrote:

http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/FrontPage

Last night someone changed the name of a link. I’m sure they thought
they were being helpful because the link name was misspelled. The basic
idea of a wiki is that when you see something wrong or that can be
improved, you don’t ask, you just fix it.

The trouble is that when you change the spelling of a link the page it
is linking to “goes away”. It can no longer be reached and the wiki is
waiting for you to create a new page with the new name.

From now on, before you change the contents of a link open the page it
links to in a different tab on your browser and change the page name to
match the new link name. (The rename function is now available at the
bottom of each page.) Also and this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT use the
search function to find everywhere that the page is linked to and update
those links too.

OTOH, when you are creating new links, spell check them before you
create the pages they link to. To make it easy to do that, lets use
links of the form [“this is a link”] rather than using the standard wiki
words that look like ThisIsALink. Spelling checkers work pretty well on
phrases but not so well on camel case :slight_smile:

So, are we allowed to add new stuff yet ? I was thinking of writing
something about getting good performance.

Good question. The original idea was to move the existing documentation
to a wiki so that it can be maintained by the community. I don’t know
how Sam feels about having other material on the wiki.

It seems to me that there is no reason why you can’t add material to the
FAQ, where your material would fit very well, you could put it under the
examples page, or we can add a tutorial page.

If Sam objects to having other material on the wiki then we can move it
to another wiki. (It would be very welcome on gameprogrammer.com/gpwiki)

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user name.

  Bob Pendleton

Stephane

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

So, are we allowed to add new stuff yet ? I was thinking of writing
something about getting good performance.

Good question. The original idea was to move the existing documentation
to a wiki so that it can be maintained by the community. I don’t know
how Sam feels about having other material on the wiki.

It seems to me that there is no reason why you can’t add material to the
FAQ, where your material would fit very well, you could put it under the
examples page, or we can add a tutorial page.

Is there a special licence for the documentation (FDL) ?

Good question. I have no idea what the answer is. Sam?

	Bob PendletonOn Wed, 2004-08-04 at 11:24, Marco Kraus wrote:

Ciao
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Bob Pendleton wrote:

Good question. The original idea was to move the existing documentation
to a wiki so that it can be maintained by the community. I don’t know
how Sam feels about having other material on the wiki.

It seems to me that there is no reason why you can’t add material to the
FAQ, where your material would fit very well, you could put it under the
examples page, or we can add a tutorial page.

Not sure if everything would fit under a “tutorial” banner. I also have
a draft of a “porting SDL” document around.

If Sam objects to having other material on the wiki then we can move it
to another wiki. (It would be very welcome on gameprogrammer.com/gpwiki)

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user name.

Yup, that’s exactly my concern. Registered users also have their ip
address listed (appears as a tooltip for me, so it’s probably in the
source of the page).

Stephane

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate
me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user
name.

Yup, that’s exactly my concern. Registered users also have their ip
address listed (appears as a tooltip for me, so it’s probably in the
source of the page).

Stephane

Again, could someone please state the nature of their objection to
showing your IP address?

I once had a website running that in the lower left hand corner showed
your IP address for your convenience (ever been to whatsmyip.com? a
great website to have around whenever all you want to know is what your
ip address is to the rest of the internet.) Some weirdo emailed me
telling me that he didn’t think people would like being “tracked.”

What a whacko.

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  • Donny VisznekiOn Aug 6, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Stephane Marchesin wrote:
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Quoth Donny Viszneki , on 2004-08-07 02:46:22 -0400:

Again, could someone please state the nature of their objection to
showing your IP address?

Not your host, the hosts of the other people who edited the pages.
Look at RecentChanges again. The causes the
hostname/IP to appear in the source of the document, as well as being
shown in many browsers on extended mouse-over.

I don’t have any personal objection to this. However, other arbitrary
people being able to see whence your actions came host-wise seems to
be considered debatable privacy practice in many places.

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Quoth Donny Viszneki , on 2004-08-07 02:46:22
-0400:

Again, could someone please state the nature of their objection to
showing your IP address?

Not your host, the hosts of the other people who edited the pages.

I should have been more clear, especially with my story about the guy
who was bothered that he could see his own IP address, but I won’t
digress again…

I understand what the circumstances are. Hey guess what, my IP address
is 136.142.21.65, oh no my privacy has been violated somehow. Or worse,
someone will hack my Windows box, wait, I’m not running Winblows.

Seriously people, there is no shortage of IP addresses out there. If
you’re looking to hack someone’s machine or do ANY other malicious
activity against a random computer, there are thousands of times
greater methods for finding future victims’ ip addresses.

I think the sdl doc wiki should adopt this friendly edict: if you
object to having your IP address shown to the public, I object to you
contributing to the sdl doc wiki.

Look at RecentChanges again. The causes the
hostname/IP to appear in the source of the document, as well as being
shown in many browsers on extended mouse-over.

I don’t have any personal objection to this. However, other arbitrary
people being able to see whence your actions came host-wise seems to
be considered debatable privacy practice in many places.

—> Drake Wilson

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  • Donny VisznekiOn Aug 7, 2004, at 3:55 AM, Drake Wilson wrote:
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Although this is very offtopic, if someone was really worried about
people tracking them, they could always use tor (
http://www.freehaven.net/tor/ ) which allows you to do
socks-compatible tcp traffic through a (mostly) anonymous network.
Even IRC works through it.On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 04:14:05 -0400, Donny Viszneki wrote:

On Aug 7, 2004, at 3:55 AM, Drake Wilson wrote:

Quoth Donny Viszneki , on 2004-08-07 02:46:22
-0400:

Again, could someone please state the nature of their objection to
showing your IP address?

Not your host, the hosts of the other people who edited the pages.

I should have been more clear, especially with my story about the guy
who was bothered that he could see his own IP address, but I won’t
digress again…

I understand what the circumstances are. Hey guess what, my IP address
is 136.142.21.65, oh no my privacy has been violated somehow. Or worse,
someone will hack my Windows box, wait, I’m not running Winblows.

Seriously people, there is no shortage of IP addresses out there. If
you’re looking to hack someone’s machine or do ANY other malicious
activity against a random computer, there are thousands of times
greater methods for finding future victims’ ip addresses.

I think the sdl doc wiki should adopt this friendly edict: if you
object to having your IP address shown to the public, I object to you
contributing to the sdl doc wiki.

Look at RecentChanges again. The causes the
hostname/IP to appear in the source of the document, as well as being
shown in many browsers on extended mouse-over.

I don’t have any personal objection to this. However, other arbitrary
people being able to see whence your actions came host-wise seems to
be considered debatable privacy practice in many places.

—> Drake Wilson

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

Good question. The original idea was to move the existing documentation
to a wiki so that it can be maintained by the community. I don’t know
how Sam feels about having other material on the wiki.

It seems to me that there is no reason why you can’t add material to the
FAQ, where your material would fit very well, you could put it under the
examples page, or we can add a tutorial page.

Not sure if everything would fit under a “tutorial” banner. I also have
a draft of a “porting SDL” document around.

Well, create a new entry in the main page and post it. These things get
reorganized as they grow, so just put it up there.

If Sam objects to having other material on the wiki then we can move it
to another wiki. (It would be very welcome on gameprogrammer.com/gpwiki)

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user name.

Yup, that’s exactly my concern. Registered users also have their ip
address listed (appears as a tooltip for me, so it’s probably in the
source of the page).

You still haven’t given any reason why we would not want to keep the IP
address around? I really can’t imagine any reason why you would worry
about that. Its in the headers of every email you post, why not record
it on the wiki?

	Bob PendletonOn Fri, 2004-08-06 at 13:22, Stephane Marchesin wrote:

Stephane

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Quoth Donny Viszneki , on 2004-08-07 02:46:22 -0400:

Again, could someone please state the nature of their objection to
showing your IP address?

Not your host, the hosts of the other people who edited the pages.
Look at RecentChanges again. The causes the
hostname/IP to appear in the source of the document, as well as being
shown in many browsers on extended mouse-over.

I don’t have any personal objection to this.

Good, now can we drop this discussion?

However, other arbitrary
people being able to see whence your actions came host-wise seems to
be considered debatable privacy practice in many places.

I’m afraid that falls under the category of an appeal to authority where
the authority is a strawman. In other words, that isn’t even a bad
argument to stop keeping IP addresses. It isn’t an argument at all.

OTOH, keeping IPs provides us with a way to ban the IPs of people who
deface or misuse the wiki. Which is currently the only hard security we
have in place. Without this minimal level of security we might as well
just open up a warez site with free up and down loads. It is of distinct
value to all the owners and users of the wiki. (If could keep us out of
jail.)

	Bob PendletonOn Sat, 2004-08-07 at 02:55, Drake Wilson wrote:

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user name.

Yup, that’s exactly my concern. Registered users also have their ip
address listed (appears as a tooltip for me, so it’s probably in the
source of the page).

You still haven’t given any reason why we would not want to keep the IP
address around? I really can’t imagine any reason why you would worry
about that. Its in the headers of every email you post, why not record
it on the wiki?

That’s called privacy, and that thing will disappear unless it is taken
care of. I know the current trend is to say “if you have done nothing
wrong that won’t be a problem for you”, but it’s a problem for me :
that’s exposing parts of our privates lives.
Here are some reasons :

  • maybe you don’t want other people to know what your ip(s) are since it
    reveals (for example) where you work, where you study, where you are…
  • maybe you don’t want your boss to know you edit the SDL wiki from work
  • maybe your machine has a nice security hole you haven’t noticed yet
    (or maybe the hole is unpublished). People looking for machines to hack
    sometimes get addresses from such places.
    Such reasons could refrain people from posting on the wiki, thus
    defeating its purpose.

OTOH, publicly displaying the IPs is not needed for correct wiki
moderation : only administrators can ban specific adress, so why not
show these to wiki administrators only ? Note I have nothing against
recording the addresses (that’s the basis of wiki moderation), I have
something against putting them online.

Oh and the emails sent to the SDL mainling list are only recieved by
people subscribed to the list, while the SDL wiki is accessible to
anyone who has internet access. That’s quite a difference.

[You asked for it. Now I hope it doesn’t trigger too much trolling]

Stephane

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

Btw, while you’re talking about etiquette, I’m not sure if it’s very
nice to show the IPs of the people who edit the pages.

I don’t understand why you consider that a bad thing? Please educate me.

If you register on the site, then (AFAIK) it only lists your user name.

Yup, that’s exactly my concern. Registered users also have their ip
address listed (appears as a tooltip for me, so it’s probably in the
source of the page).

You still haven’t given any reason why we would not want to keep the IP
address around? I really can’t imagine any reason why you would worry
about that. Its in the headers of every email you post, why not record
it on the wiki?

That’s called privacy, and that thing will disappear unless it is taken
care of. I know the current trend is to say “if you have done nothing
wrong that won’t be a problem for you”, but it’s a problem for me :
that’s exposing parts of our privates lives.

Yes, I am well aware of all of that. There is the other side to the
story. Your right to privacy ends where my right to know begins.

Here are some reasons :

  • maybe you don’t want other people to know what your ip(s) are since it
    reveals (for example) where you work, where you study, where you are…

First off, as far as I can tell the IPs are not stored anywhere that is
visible to the public. Your host name is stored in the recent changes
page. Many ISPs include your IP in the host name so it winds up in the
wiki through no fault of the wiki. Complain to your ISP.

  • maybe you don’t want your boss to know you edit the SDL wiki from work

There are so many problems with that… In every job I have ever had
doing programming or anything technical everything I did using the
companies equipment belonged to the company. So, if you work under a
similar contract you are using your companies equipment to to edit the
wiki then everything you add from your companies computers belongs to
the company and we have no right to display it on the wiki. We can be
sued for even having it on the wiki and/or forced to remove everything
you did. If we actually helped you cover your tracks we are placing
ourselves on very thin legal ice. I know that sounds absolutely absurd,
but if I now change the setting so that the host name is not shown,
could a lawyer claim that I am helping you defraud your employer? I bet
they could. Could they make it stick? I don’t know and I don’t have the
$100,000 it would take to defend a suit like that.

I understand how this helps you. But, it creates a potential legal
problem for us. Please, helping you defraud your employer is not a
reason to change the setting.

We could lose the rights to the documentation.

  • maybe your machine has a nice security hole you haven’t noticed yet
    (or maybe the hole is unpublished). People looking for machines to hack
    sometimes get addresses from such places.

Considering how easy it is to get IP addresses I can’t really buy this
one. Sorry. You are much better off using a fire wall and a reliable OS
than worrying about this tiny risk. Anyway, as I said before, your IP is
not on the page. At least not where I can find it.

Such reasons could refrain people from posting on the wiki, thus
defeating its purpose.

I suspect that it will not deter many people, hopefully only the ones
that should be deterred, but probably not.

OTOH, publicly displaying the IPs is not needed for correct wiki
moderation : only administrators can ban specific adress, so why not
show these to wiki administrators only ? Note I have nothing against
recording the addresses (that’s the basis of wiki moderation), I have
something against putting them online.

Well, they are only available to administrators. Actually, I can’t get
actual IP addresses. AFAIK, only Sam can get them. I can only see what
you see, the host name, not the IP address.

Oh and the emails sent to the SDL mainling list are only recieved by
people subscribed to the list, while the SDL wiki is accessible to
anyone who has internet access. That’s quite a difference.

Hey, posting this message places your email address on a web site where
anyone can see it. What is the difference? My spam filter rejects 500
emails a day, but I haven’t (to the best of my knowledge) been hacked or
had a virus since I 1) got a hardware fire wall 2) moved to Linux 3) got
religious about security updates.

[You asked for it. Now I hope it doesn’t trigger too much trolling]

Look, I understand your point of view. I’m even sympathetic to it. I
just don’t see that your need to hide is greater than our need to know.

At this point I am dropping out of this discussion. It has gotten to
absurd to continue.

	Bob PendletonOn Mon, 2004-08-09 at 17:01, Stephane Marchesin wrote:

Stephane

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Oh and the emails sent to the SDL mainling list are only recieved by
people subscribed to the list, while the SDL wiki is accessible to
anyone who has internet access. That’s quite a difference.

Hey, posting this message places your email address on a web site where
anyone can see it.

Heh, yep. Precisely. For example:

[SDL] Wiki etiquette
Stephane Marchesin stephane.marchesin at wanadoo.fr
Mon Aug 9 15:01:45 PDT 2004

http://twomix.devolution.com/pipermail/sdl/2004-August/063892.html

In the “Rules” section of my LUG’s mailing list info page, we have the
following:

  1. Public Nature

The mailing lists are public — anyone can join them to receive
list messages. Posts are archived on this web site and possibly other
places on the 'Net as well. Do not post if you are not comfortable
with your message going to many unknown recipients and becoming a
permanent part of a publicly readable archive somewhere.

etc.

-bill!On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 06:22:41PM -0500, Bob Pendleton wrote:

On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 17:01, Stephane Marchesin wrote:

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Oh and the emails sent to the SDL mainling list are only recieved by
people subscribed to the list, while the SDL wiki is accessible to
anyone who has internet access. That’s quite a difference.

http://twomix.devolution.com/pipermail/sdl/2004-August/063892.html
dig wanadoo.fr

I don’t think the difference is significant.

b