A chat about SDL

SDL Development
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It could be a good idea (!!!) if SDL has got a chat it would be faster than
the news which are really important for a newbie like me ??? It could be
cool
Ciao

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It could be a good idea (!!!) if SDL has got a chat it would be faster
than
the news which are really important for a newbie like me ??? It could be
cool
While it would certainly be a “neat” idea, but personally (and I may be way
off here), I don’t think SDL has enough “followers” to feasibly implement a
chat system.
I’ve written a personal, lightweight chat program that my friends and I use
to do “real-time” chatting (some of my buddies are long distance). It’s all
setup and running on a friend of mines server and anyone with the software
can access it. It would be pretty trivial to put in an “SDL” channel.
Again though, I simply don’t think there’s enough followers to make it a
very active site. The mailing list would probably be much faster way of
communicating. Also, I’d try to rule out emailing “frequents” on the list
directly. While I personally have no problems with it, I can’t speak for
others. Besides, if you have a question about something, odds are someone
out there might have the same/similar question. That way everyone kinda
"grows" together, so to speak :). Sam/Loki does a good job with the list,
and I don’t think it’s is very hostile to newbies (it’s certainly been nice
to me :), so don’t be afraid to ask…:slight_smile:
One final note: It’s kinda hard to have an archive of a chat system. If
something really good/groundbreaking is posted, it’s rarely possible to
refer to it later like a mailing list archive (the signal/noise ratio on a
chat system is much greater, hence if you did have some archiving system,
there’d undoubtedly be a lot of useless crud you’d be backing up).

Just my $0.02

cheers,
Dave “PenguinDude” Archbold
davea at radiks.netOn Wednesday, February 23, 2000 4:16 PM, Sylvain Hellegouarch [SMTP:sylvain.hellegouarch at wanadoo.fr] wrote:

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I’ve written a personal, lightweight chat program that my friends and I use
to do “real-time” chatting (some of my buddies are long distance). It’s all
setup and running on a friend of mines server and anyone with the software
can access it. It would be pretty trivial to put in an “SDL” channel.
Again though, I simply don’t think there’s enough followers to make it a
very active site. The mailing list would probably be much faster way of
communicating. Also, I’d try to rule out emailing “frequents” on the list
I agree with you there, while SDL may have quite a few followers theres
not enough to be interested in chatting often. But maybe a monthly chat on
IRC or something wouldn’t be a bad idea. In the past I have found that one
or two chats creates a certain bond between members, something that is
hard to create in the “formal” enviroment of a mailing list. So while
chats may not be a useful as a source of information of newbies etc, they
are much better places for bouncing ideas around.

Long live the confused,
Akawaka.On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Archbold, David W. wrote:

Bother! said Pooh, as he felt Vader’s presence.

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On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Martin Donlon wrote :

I agree with you there, while SDL may have quite a few followers theres
not enough to be interested in chatting often. But maybe a monthly chat on
IRC or something wouldn’t be a bad idea. In the past I have found that one
or two chats creates a certain bond between members, something that is
hard to create in the “formal” enviroment of a mailing list. So while
chats may not be a useful as a source of information of newbies etc, they
are much better places for bouncing ideas around.

Hmmm…now that’s an interesting idea. That might work. Certainly
would be fun. A mailing list is nice 'cause I don’t have to “be right
there” monitoring conversaions (esp at work), but a scheduled
"gathering" that’s infrequent enough so that it’s not a pain could be very
interesting. Anyone?

cheers,
Dave “PenguinDude” Archbold
@Dave_Archbold

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I’d love to as long as it is convienient with the fact that unlike
almost every other programmer in the free world I live on the East
Coast and am several hours ahead of the rest of the US and usually
half a day behind the rest of the world. Friggin inconvienient time
zone …

Phoenix Kokido
members.xoom.com/kokido
@Wes_Poole

Dave Archbold wrote:

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Martin Donlon wrote :

I agree with you there, while SDL may have quite a few followers theres
not enough to be interested in chatting often. But maybe a monthly chat
on

IRC or something wouldn’t be a bad idea. In the past I have found that
one> > or two chats creates a certain bond between members, something that is

hard to create in the “formal” enviroment of a mailing list. So while
chats may not be a useful as a source of information of newbies etc, they
are much better places for bouncing ideas around.

Hmmm…now that’s an interesting idea. That might work. Certainly
would be fun. A mailing list is nice 'cause I don’t have to “be right
there” monitoring conversaions (esp at work), but a scheduled
"gathering" that’s infrequent enough so that it’s not a pain could be very
interesting. Anyone?

cheers,
Dave “PenguinDude” Archbold
davea at radiks.net

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On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Martin Donlon wrote :

I agree with you there, while SDL may have quite a few followers theres
not enough to be interested in chatting often. But maybe a monthly chat on
IRC or something wouldn’t be a bad idea. In the past I have found that one
or two chats creates a certain bond between members, something that is
hard to create in the “formal” enviroment of a mailing list. So while
chats may not be a useful as a source of information of newbies etc, they
are much better places for bouncing ideas around.

Hmmm…now that’s an interesting idea. That might work. Certainly
would be fun. A mailing list is nice 'cause I don’t have to “be right
there” monitoring conversaions (esp at work), but a scheduled
"gathering" that’s infrequent enough so that it’s not a pain could be very
interesting. Anyone?

I would be up for that, as long as we can pick a neutral time…

See ya!
-Sam Lantinga (slouken at devolution.com)

Lead Programmer, Loki Entertainment Software–
“Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature”
– Rich Kulawiec

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Speaking of which… Does anyone archive this list?—

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Martin Donlon wrote :

I agree with you there, while SDL may have quite a few followers
theres

not enough to be interested in chatting often. But maybe a monthly
chat on

IRC or something wouldn’t be a bad idea. In the past I have found that
one

or two chats creates a certain bond between members, something that is
hard to create in the “formal” enviroment of a mailing list. So while
chats may not be a useful as a source of information of newbies etc,
they

are much better places for bouncing ideas around.

Hmmm…now that’s an interesting idea. That might work. Certainly
would be fun. A mailing list is nice 'cause I don’t have to “be right
there” monitoring conversaions (esp at work), but a scheduled
"gathering" that’s infrequent enough so that it’s not a pain could be
very
interesting. Anyone?

I would be up for that, as long as we can pick a neutral time…

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Andrew Shakinovsky wrote:

Speaking of which… Does anyone archive this list?

http://www.lokigames.com/ml/sdl/

bye…

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Yeah in fact sure SDL is followed by programmers all around the world so
"talking" live could be hard (even if I’m using the Internet during the
night… I’m in France !), but I do think that a chat won’t take the place of
the news… it would be a complementary of the news. Both can live together.

But it’s also true that the news is more important for a newbie like me as I
don’t have (and it’s also true for everyone) to be there “right here right
now” to read a message.

So let’s see.
See ya
lawouach at caramail.com

Sylvain Hellegouarch <sylvain.hellegouarch at wanadoo.fr> a ?crit dans le
message : 891mg0$3qk$1 at ftp.lokigames.com…

It could be a good idea (!!!) if SDL has got a chat it would be faster
than> the news which are really important for a newbie like me ??? It could be
cool
Ciao

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It could be a good idea (!!!) if SDL has got a chat it would be faster
than
the news which are really important for a newbie like me ??? It could be
cool
While it would certainly be a “neat” idea, but personally (and I may be way
off here), I don’t think SDL has enough “followers” to feasibly implement a
chat system.

Putting up an #SDL channel on e.g. irc.openprojects.net shouldn’t be a problem. Several
other projects use irc channels (gtk/gnome/quakeforge…) and while there might not be
many people present at all times, i’ve found them to be very useful when it comes to just
getting a quick hint or an occasional discussion.--------------------------------------------------------------
Christian Zander ** N?ckersberg 76 ** 45257 Essen ** Germany
email: mbox at minion.de ** www: www.minion.de ** icq#: 5322926

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Hmmm…now that’s an interesting idea. That might work. Certainly
would be fun. A mailing list is nice 'cause I don’t have to “be right
there” monitoring conversaions (esp at work), but a scheduled
"gathering" that’s infrequent enough so that it’s not a pain could be very
interesting. Anyone?

it’s kinda the same way as the berlin (nice windowing system which you
can have a look at http://www.berlin-consortium.org/) project
operate,they schedule meeting on irc once in a while and talk about
various issue,the snr is very low (i.e. it goes a bit up when i ask a
question but it’s actually quite rare i goes outside of lurk mode) and
most developper keep irc logs and post them on the webside a few days
after the meeting.

Alain

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Hmmm…now that’s an interesting idea. That might work. Certainly
would be fun. A mailing list is nice 'cause I don’t have to “be right
there” monitoring conversaions (esp at work), but a scheduled
"gathering" that’s infrequent enough so that it’s not a pain could be very
interesting. Anyone?

it’s kinda the same way as the berlin (nice windowing system which you
can have a look at http://www.berlin-consortium.org/) project
operate,they schedule meeting on irc once in a while and talk about
various issue,the snr is very low (i.e. it goes a bit up when i ask a
question but it’s actually quite rare i goes outside of lurk mode) and
most developper keep irc logs and post them on the webside a few days
after the meeting.
Well at the moment seem to arrive from every single timezone on the planet
,so unless people want to mail with with time that suit them then we won’t
bother with regular chats at the moment. There are already a few regulars
and apparently Sam dropped around at some stage and I’d like to think that
me, inful, pheonix (looking at history) and everyone else have helped
people get over some problems that would have taken a day or two to solve
on the list.

Long live the confused,
Akawaka.On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Alain Toussaint wrote:

Bother, said Pooh as millions of voices cried out and went silent.

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Well at the moment seem to arrive from every single timezone on the planet
,so unless people want to mail with with time that suit them then we won’t
bother with regular chats at the moment.

ok,in this regard,i would like to propose that everyone wanting to
participate in an irc meeting mail me PRIVATELY with their
timezone,here’s the format i would like to have it if possible:

in my case,i’m in the eastern standard time so my time is GMT -0500
(i.e. 5 hours less than GMT time) so i would write -0500 in my mail.

i have to mention that in most case,your clock is the right time so you
can just fire up a blank email,write timezone in the topic (or subject)
line and mail it to me and i will deduce the timezone from it as part of
the date field,if it’s not entirely clear,i’ll write back to the person.

then,i’ll propose a time (and day) on the newsgroup and those who can’t
meet it,i still recommend to write me personally and propose the best
time for them to be on irc.

Alain Toussaint–
Something inside me wanted to say, `Hey, Ociffer. If you knew how many
times i’ve driven over 150 mph today, you’d save this speech for some
other yahoo and just lock me up right now’

Matt Stone – quoted with permision from Motor Trend

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then,i’ll propose a time (and day) on the newsgroup and those who can’t
meet it,i still recommend to write me personally and propose the best
time for them to be on irc.

And I’ll try to be there too. :slight_smile:

See ya!
-Sam Lantinga (slouken at devolution.com)

Lead Programmer, Loki Entertainment Software–
“Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature”
– Rich Kulawiec

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then,i’ll propose a time (and day) on the newsgroup and those who can’t
meet it,i still recommend to write me personally and propose the best
time for them to be on irc.

And I’ll try to be there too. :slight_smile:

sorry to be late but i haven’t recieved many mail about it (just one) so
here’s the result:

we are 2 users in the EST -0500 timezone,1 user in the PST -0800
timezone (Sam,are you in the PST timezone too,if so,i’ll count 2 users)
and one user from Ireland (GMT).

i’ll have to put a deadline for timezone submission so i would like to
set it for Thursday 23h00 (11h00 pm) EST time,so you all have a bit less
than 28 hours to submit your entry,according to the current result,i
would like to set the meeting time & day for Saturday at 11h00 am PST
time (2h00 pm for those in the EST timezone and 7h00 pm for GMT).

if you have another suggestion for time & day,mail them to me (be sure
to put the mention “timezone” in your subject).

Alain Toussaint

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Newsgroups: loki.open-source.sdl

sorry to be late but i haven’t recieved many mail about it (just one) so
here’s the result:

<snip!>

i’ll have to put a deadline for timezone submission so i would like to
set it for Thursday 23h00 (11h00 pm) EST time,so you all have a bit less
than 28 hours to submit your entry,according to the current result,i
would like to set the meeting time & day for Saturday at 11h00 am PST
time (2h00 pm for those in the EST timezone and 7h00 pm for GMT).

Ehrmm. That’s a bit early in the morning for me… I have been getting up at
12 PST recently (and going to bed working until 3 AM starting at 10 PM on
this bloody Windowing Stuff… Sam, if you’re listening, why do you torture
me with your convoluted code base?! :-)) so a little later would be good… 1
PM PST or so is my vote.

Alain Toussaint

Nicholas

Nicholas Vining “While you’re out there struggling
vining at pacificcoast.net with your computer, I’m naked,
icq: 20872003 clueless, and feeling good!”
- Ratbert

----- Original Message -----
From: atoussaint@globetrotter.net (Alain Toussaint)
To: sdl at lokigames.com
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 4:19 PM
Subject: [SDL] Re: A chat about SDL

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would like to set the meeting time & day for Saturday at 11h00 am PST
time (2h00 pm for those in the EST timezone and 7h00 pm for GMT).

ok,look like i haven’t received anything related to timezone or the
meeting time & day so the meeting will effectively be at the time
mentionned in the first 2 line of this post,i assume that everyone
(wanting to be there that is…) agree,so see ya tomorrow on irc.

Alain