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If I had to guess, I would say Google ;)> ----- Original Message -----

From: masonwheeler@yahoo.com (Mason Wheeler)
To: A list for developers using the SDL library. (includes SDL-announce)
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:30:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs

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From: Pierre Phaneuf
Subject: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs

Considering my own line of work at a rather secretive company that
also gets that kind of wild scrutiny/posturing/guessing from
outsiders, Sam must be finding this rather hilarious.

Oh? Who do you work for, Pierre?

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A quick Google search told me that. (Plus, like, click the livejournal
link in Pierre’s sig :wink: )

-bill!On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 03:54:00PM -0700, Patryk Bratkowski wrote:

If I had to guess, I would say Google :wink:

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They probably want someone that can read code, and check if their rules are being implemented correctly. Also, there is a whole bagage of skills that come with that, logic for instance, its often believed that C++ is a difficult language, so what was said about being able to pick up any language later seems correct to me, I started with C++ and college was a breeze in that sense. Programming is about setting rules after all, so it fits perfectly a gameplay creator.
Another point is that the gameplay engineer must be able to talk with the programmers quite deeply about ideas, and understand that kind of mentality.

Cheers,
A M.— Em ter, 10/3/09, Mason Wheeler escreveu:

De: Mason Wheeler
Assunto: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs
Para: “A list for developers using the SDL library. (includes SDL-announce)”
Data: Ter?a-feira, 10 de Mar?o de 2009, 19:30

----- Original Message ----

From: Pierre Phaneuf
Subject: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs

Considering my own line of work at a rather secretive
company that
also gets that kind of wild scrutiny/posturing/guessing
from
outsiders, Sam must be finding this rather hilarious.

Oh? Who do you work for, Pierre?

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I did… It was a calculated guess based on the Google’s new Montreal office pictures from his journal :stuck_out_tongue:

Pat> ----- Original Message -----

From: nbs@sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:55:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 03:54:00PM -0700, Patryk Bratkowski wrote:

If I had to guess, I would say Google :wink:

A quick Google search told me that. (Plus, like, click the livejournal
link in Pierre’s sig :wink: )

-bill!

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but big companies make these stupid IT mistakes all the time!

Depends. ?As Joel put it, If it’s a core business function – do it yourself, no matter what.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000007.html

Cute article. Unfortunately for Joel, picking from existing open
technologies with widely known strengths and a high level of scrutiny
isn’t a process that suffers from any of the problems Joel points out
in his rant :OOn Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Mason Wheeler wrote:

From: Donny Viszneki <@Donny_Viszneki>
Subject: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs

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I think people are missing the point of Sam’s post. ?He is offering a chance
for people in the homebrew community to get an interview at Blizzard.

I don’t think that’s what’s happening.

Read the job listing. This is being posted to the SDL mailing list
(maybe because Sam wouldn’t mind other SDL fans working at Blizzard)
as a courtesy, sure, but Blizzard isn’t looking for a member of “the
homebrew community,” nor an SDL user. This is Sam’s move, and we
appreciate it insofar as it’s nice to have opportunity, but you didn’t
really think this was an open invitation to get an advantage in a
Blizzard interview by virtue of the fact that you found a message on a
mailing list, did you?

Rather than complain about Blizzard, their possible language of choice for
scripting, etc. why not complete a solid demo of whatever makes you excited
and then take that and enjoy the opportunity for an interview with Sam at
Blizzard.

Blizzard describes the experience they require:

* 5+ years of game coding experience on at least one shipped title
* Computer science/mathematics/physics or related degree
* Experience with audio programming
* Experience with multi-threaded programming
* Experience working on networked games
* Experience creating content creation pipeline

Nobody here is being thrown a bone. If you can overcome the absence of
one of these requirements with really stellar talent in another area,
I think that’s beside the fact that Sam advertised this job on the SDL
mailing list.

The worst that could happen is you don’t have the right skills and they
pass. ?The best would be that you get a job at a great company, with a solid
industry reputation, and learn a TON of things working for a professional
game company. ?And even if you don’t get an offer, but have a chance to
interview you get a great opportunity to see the inner working of a game
company which may just fuel your passion to come up with the next killer
game in the downloadable market.

Some of us can only dream :)On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Ken Rogoway wrote:

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Fun!

Job hunting things like this always irk me… I could probably confidentally
send in a resume and other stuff but I’m unwilling to move or leave my
current job heh :(. Loyalty to my current company can be a bitch sometimes
heh.

-Will

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Read the job listing. This is being posted to the SDL mailing list
(maybe because Sam wouldn’t mind other SDL fans working at Blizzard)
as a courtesy, sure, but Blizzard isn’t looking for a member of “the
homebrew community,” nor an SDL user. This is Sam’s move, and we
appreciate it insofar as it’s nice to have opportunity, but you didn’t
really think this was an open invitation to get an advantage in a
Blizzard interview by virtue of the fact that you found a message on a
mailing list, did you?

No, I don’t think you would have any advantage because you saw this on the
SDL mailing list or had worked with SDL. However, it does make the listing
visible to the SDL community and sometimes you can find very talented people
in the homebrew community or just out of college. And Sam does have a
significant role in the decision making process at Blizzard, especially when
hiring people for his team.

In fact one of the best hires I ever made was someone just out of college.
What made him stand out over and above all the rest was all of the side
projects he had done. In that sense having worked on a homebrew game (with
or without SDL) is a plus over candidates that haven’t done anything yet and
just have a college degree.

I realize most people won’t qualify for these jobs. I wasn’t trying to
start another thread about it arguing one way or another, in fact just the
opposite.

And to a point on an earlier response, yes it is useful to discuss the ins
and outs of internally developed scripting languages or using existing ones.
I didn’t intend my response to indicate otherwise.

  • Ken Rogoway
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Someone in Comp Sci with me in college made fun of me one day:
"man, Bill, you just sit and write games all the time."
Yeah, well, Atari Games offered me a job right before I graduated – the
guy found my X-Window clone of Missile Command (in 3D vector :slight_smile: )

I declined, to live with my now-wife, but eventually got caught up doing
mobile games, because I was at the Vintage Computer Festival, showing off
Ataris, and some of my Atari-inspired games I wrote for Linux (in SDL :slight_smile: )

So yeah, if you want a job doing it, you had better love it. :slight_smile:

-bill!On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 07:08:40PM -0500, Ken Rogoway wrote:

In fact one of the best hires I ever made was someone just out of college.
What made him stand out over and above all the rest was all of the side
projects he had done. In that sense having worked on a homebrew game (with
or without SDL) is a plus over candidates that haven’t done anything yet and
just have a college degree.

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Read the job listing. This is being posted to the SDL mailing list
(maybe because Sam wouldn’t mind other SDL fans working at Blizzard)
as a courtesy, sure, but Blizzard isn’t looking for a member of “the
homebrew community,” nor an SDL user. This is Sam’s move, and we
appreciate it insofar as it’s nice to have opportunity, but you didn’t
really think this was an open invitation to get an advantage in a
Blizzard interview by virtue of the fact that you found a message on a
mailing list, did you?

No, I don’t think you would have any advantage because you saw this on the
SDL mailing list or had worked with SDL. ?However, it does make the listing
visible to the SDL community and sometimes you can find very talented people
in the homebrew community or just out of college. ?And Sam does have a
significant role in the decision making process at Blizzard, especially when
hiring people for his team.

Ah, I guess I just completely misunderstood your post :frowning:

In fact one of the best hires I ever made was someone just out of college.
What made him stand out over and above all the rest was all of the side
projects he had done. ?In that sense having worked on a homebrew game (with
or without SDL) is a plus over candidates that haven’t done anything yet and
just have a college degree.

The most “qualified” people I’ve met are usually a lot dumber than the
least qualified ones I’ve met. (Although the former seem more diligent
than the latter, in general anyhow.)On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Ken Rogoway wrote:

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The most “qualified” people I’ve met are usually a lot
dumber than the
least qualified ones I’ve met. (Although the former seem
more diligent
than the latter, in general anyhow.)

I second that! And I should add: It also KILLS creativity, which in the games biz is just THE MOST important personality trait you must have… specially for a company like blizzard which asks in ALL their job postings: “A passion for games”. I almost lost it because of college, and Im still having a hard time recovering it (mostly the passion, the creativity is here, though not as it will be when the passion returns :wink: thats why Im saying this, they are one and the same in most aspects)

Cheers!
A M.— Em ter, 10/3/09, Donny Viszneki <donny.viszneki at gmail.com> escreveu:

De: Donny Viszneki <donny.viszneki at gmail.com>
Assunto: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs
Para: “A list for developers using the SDL library. (includes SDL-announce)”
Data: Ter?a-feira, 10 de Mar?o de 2009, 21:24
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Ken Rogoway wrote:

Read the job listing. This is being posted to the
SDL mailing list

(maybe because Sam wouldn’t mind other SDL fans
working at Blizzard)

as a courtesy, sure, but Blizzard isn’t looking
for a member of "the

homebrew community," nor an SDL user. This is
Sam’s move, and we

appreciate it insofar as it’s nice to have
opportunity, but you didn’t

really think this was an open invitation to get an
advantage in a

Blizzard interview by virtue of the fact that you
found a message on a

mailing list, did you?

No, I don’t think you would have any advantage because
you saw this on the
SDL mailing list or had worked with SDL. ?However, it
does make the listing
visible to the SDL community and sometimes you can
find very talented people
in the homebrew community or just out of college.
?And Sam does have a
significant role in the decision making process at
Blizzard, especially when
hiring people for his team.

Ah, I guess I just completely misunderstood your post :frowning:

In fact one of the best hires I ever made was someone
just out of college.
What made him stand out over and above all the rest
was all of the side
projects he had done. ?In that sense having worked on
a homebrew game (with
or without SDL) is a plus over candidates that haven’t
done anything yet and
just have a college degree.

The most “qualified” people I’ve met are usually a lot
dumber than the
least qualified ones I’ve met. (Although the former seem
more diligent
than the latter, in general anyhow.)

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stuff but I’m unwilling to move or leave my current job
heh :(. Loyalty to my current company can be a bitch
sometimes heh.

Blasfemy! hahaha… Blizzard got a free gym(!) in their facilities!
(You guys know im just kidding :slight_smile: Though they really got one :slight_smile: and it seems pretty cool hehehe)

Cheers!
A M.— Em ter, 10/3/09, Will Langford escreveu:

De: Will Langford
Assunto: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs
Para: “A list for developers using the SDL library. (includes SDL-announce)”
Data: Ter?a-feira, 10 de Mar?o de 2009, 20:42
Fun!
Job hunting things like this always irk me… I
could probably confidentally send in a resume and other
stuff but I’m unwilling to move or leave my current job
heh :(. ?Loyalty to my current company can be a bitch
sometimes heh.

-Will

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oops… looks like I blasPHemed against the english language. Sorry =)— Em ter, 10/3/09, Antonio Marcos <@Antonio_Marcos> escreveu:

De: Antonio Marcos <@Antonio_Marcos>
Assunto: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs
Para: “A list for developers using the SDL library. (includes SDL-announce)”
Data: Ter?a-feira, 10 de Mar?o de 2009, 22:52

stuff but I’m unwilling to move or leave my current
job
heh :(.? Loyalty to my current company can be a
bitch
sometimes heh.

Blasfemy! hahaha… Blizzard got a free gym(!) in their
facilities!
(You guys know im just kidding :slight_smile: Though they really got
one :slight_smile: and it seems pretty cool hehehe)

Cheers!
A M.

— Em ter, 10/3/09, Will Langford escreveu:

De: Will Langford
Assunto: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs
Para: “A list for developers using the SDL library.
(includes SDL-announce)”
Data: Ter?a-feira, 10 de Mar?o de 2009, 20:42
Fun!
Job hunting things like this always irk me… I
could probably confidentally send in a resume and
other
stuff but I’m unwilling to move or leave my current
job
heh :(. ?Loyalty to my current company can be a
bitch
sometimes heh.

-Will

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Wow I would be so much more productive with a gym nearbyOn Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Antonio Marcos wrote:

Blasfemy! hahaha… Blizzard got a free gym(!) in their facilities!
(You guys know im just kidding :slight_smile: Though they really got one :slight_smile: and it seems pretty cool hehehe)

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mee too! ( though I have many nearby, though they are pretty expensive!)
All that HGH MUST have some effect on the tendinitis hhehehehehehe— Em ter, 10/3/09, Donny Viszneki <donny.viszneki at gmail.com> escreveu:

De: Donny Viszneki <donny.viszneki at gmail.com>
Assunto: Re: [SDL] Blizzard jobs
Para: “A list for developers using the SDL library. (includes SDL-announce)”
Data: Ter?a-feira, 10 de Mar?o de 2009, 23:45
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Antonio Marcos <@Antonio_Marcos> wrote:

Blasfemy! hahaha… Blizzard got a free gym(!) in
their facilities!
(You guys know im just kidding :slight_smile: Though they really
got one :slight_smile: and it seems pretty cool hehehe)

Wow I would be so much more productive with a gym nearby

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