Confused

i’m confused. why people should not use directx ? games goes well with directx.

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really slow, i can’t play it.

There are lots of aplications that run slowly in linux than windows. are you sure linux is better?__________________________________________________________________
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Are you certain your Linux is configured correctly? My TuxRacer
performs better in Linux than in Windows. I have a high end GeForce3
card, and I run with the Nvidia drivers. The Windows is Win2K, the
Linuxes are Gentoo and Redhat.On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried
also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really
slow, i can’t play it.
There are lots of aplications that run slowly in linux than windows.
are you sure linux is better?

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i’ve a tnt riva 2 (32mg).
Mandrake just installed with xfree 4.X runs really slow (impossible to play it)
with xfree 3.x with 3d support (xperimental) runs slow (impossible to play it)
without 3d doesn’t run.

why should i do? i said this game but all games i tried in linux goes really slow.

“Robin H. Johnson” wrote:>On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, @ktlliure_at_netscape wrote:

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried
also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really
slow, i can’t play it.
There are lots of aplications that run slowly in linux than windows.
are you sure linux is better?
Are you certain your Linux is configured correctly? My TuxRacer
performs better in Linux than in Windows. I have a high end GeForce3
card, and I run with the Nvidia drivers. The Windows is Win2K, the
Linuxes are Gentoo and Redhat.


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Robin H. Johnson wrote:> On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried
also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really
slow, i can’t play it.
There are lots of aplications that run slowly in linux than windows.
are you sure linux is better?

Are you certain your Linux is configured correctly? My TuxRacer
performs better in Linux than in Windows. I have a high end GeForce3
card, and I run with the Nvidia drivers. The Windows is Win2K, the
Linuxes are Gentoo and Redhat.

He’s probably using software rendering on linux .

Adilson.

I had that problem on my Linux box. (Note: I do not have a Windows box)
But that was before my video card was configured properly.
(e.g., it wasn’t doing any 3D accelleration)

Fix your video card configuration, and it should work just as fast (if not
faster) under Linux.

Good luck!

-bill!On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i’m confused. why people should not use directx ? games goes well with directx.

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really slow, i can’t play it.

what?!

Adilson Oliveira wrote:>Robin H. Johnson wrote:

On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, @ktlliure_at_netscape wrote:

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried
also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really
slow, i can’t play it.
There are lots of aplications that run slowly in linux than windows.
are you sure linux is better?

Are you certain your Linux is configured correctly? My TuxRacer
performs better in Linux than in Windows. I have a high end GeForce3
card, and I run with the Nvidia drivers. The Windows is Win2K, the
Linuxes are Gentoo and Redhat.

He’s probably using software rendering on linux .

Adilson.


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I’m not sure why that’s a hard sentence to understand, so I’ll try to write
it all out for you ;^)

If you’re playing a 3D game like Tux Racer, and it’s so slow that it’s
unplayable (like, 1 frame every couple of seconds, rather than 60-80 frames
PER second), it’s because your system isn’t using your video card’s
3D acceleration.

-bill!
(waiting for Sam to yell “off topic! move to another list!” :slight_smile: )On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 04:05:28AM -0400, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

Robin H. Johnson wrote:
He’s probably using software rendering on linux .

what?!

Are they all 3D games? If so, it’s all because of the same thing.

Do you have ‘glxgears’ installed? Try running it (in a terminal) and see
what FPS it displays.

On my lowly Celeron 300 (overclocked to 450MHz) with a Voodoo 3 2000 video
card, I get about 85 FPS.

A friend of mine has a laptop with a Radeon (running Linux, of course), and
he gets some insane FPS… up in the 1000s or 10s of 1000s.

This definitely is NOT a Linux issue.

As for whether it’s even an SDL issue (versus just a XF86 config or something
similar), that’s another question. (It’s very likely not SDL, either.)

Good luck!

-bill!On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:52:28AM -0400, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

why should i do? i said this game but all games i tried in linux goes really slow.

ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i’ve a tnt riva 2 (32mg).
Mandrake just installed with xfree 4.X runs really slow (impossible to play it)
with xfree 3.x with 3d support (xperimental) runs slow (impossible to play it)
without 3d doesn’t run.

why should i do? i said this game but all games i tried in linux goes really slow.

I have exactly the same board and my Quake 3 and Descent 3 kicks arse :wink:

To get the 3D accell with nvidia boards you have to download the drivers
(kernel and GLX) from nvidia and install them.

[]s

Adilson.

ok then… i must configure my 3dcard to run it well. but… how? when i installed mandrake linux i did it while X configuration. all well, the card was suported, monitor was suported… why doesn’t works well? how can i configure it well?

thanks.

Bill Kendrick wrote:>On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, @ktlliure_at_netscape wrote:

i’m confused. why people should not use directx ? games goes well with directx.

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really slow, i can’t play it.

I had that problem on my Linux box. (Note: I do not have a Windows box)
But that was before my video card was configured properly.
(e.g., it wasn’t doing any 3D accelleration)

Fix your video card configuration, and it should work just as fast (if not
faster) under Linux.

Good luck!

-bill!


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must i recompile the kernel with drivers?! wow! now i undertand why people preferes windows xDDDDDD however i will try this. where can i find it?

Adilson Oliveira wrote:>@ktlliure_at_netscape wrote:

i’ve a tnt riva 2 (32mg).
Mandrake just installed with xfree 4.X runs really slow (impossible to play it)
with xfree 3.x with 3d support (xperimental) runs slow (impossible to play it)
without 3d doesn’t run.

why should i do? i said this game but all games i tried in linux goes really slow.

I have exactly the same board and my Quake 3 and Descent 3 kicks arse :wink:

To get the 3D accell with nvidia boards you have to download the drivers
(kernel and GLX) from nvidia and install them.

[]s

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Hi.

I guess you installed the “downloadable” version of Mandrake. This one
only contains packages for open source stuff.
the drivers you want are closed source drivers. you’ll find them
on www.nvidia.com (graphics drivers/geforce and tnt/linux IA32).

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349

Read carefully this page and the README file, do exactly what
it says and you’ll probably be playing TuxRacer full speed 15
minutes later.

Rod.

ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:> ok then… i must configure my 3dcard to run it well. but… how? when i installed mandrake linux i did it while X configuration. all well, the card was suported, monitor was suported… why doesn’t works well? how can i configure it well?

thanks.

Bill Kendrick wrote:

On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i’m confused. why people should not use directx ? games goes well with directx.

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really slow, i can’t play it.

I had that problem on my Linux box. (Note: I do not have a Windows box)
But that was before my video card was configured properly.
(e.g., it wasn’t doing any 3D accelleration)

Fix your video card configuration, and it should work just as fast (if not
faster) under Linux.

Good luck!

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Hi

must i recompile the kernel with drivers?! wow! now i undertand why people preferes windows xDDDDDD however i will try this. where can i find it?

No you don’t have to. You just have to install NVidia drivers.
You did this under windows I guess… Same thing applies to
Linux (the difference is : you won’t have to reboot grin).

And people don’t prefer Windows (I don’t at least ;*)

Everything you need is on NVidia’s website.

Rod.> Adilson Oliveira wrote:

ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i’ve a tnt riva 2 (32mg).
Mandrake just installed with xfree 4.X runs really slow (impossible to play it)
with xfree 3.x with 3d support (xperimental) runs slow (impossible to play it)
without 3d doesn’t run.

why should i do? i said this game but all games i tried in linux goes really slow.

I have exactly the same board and my Quake 3 and Descent 3 kicks arse :wink:

To get the 3D accell with nvidia boards you have to download the drivers
(kernel and GLX) from nvidia and install them.

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Which version of the Mandrake distro are you using; one you
downloaded, or a full retail version? At least with 8.0, only the
latter contains closed source video card drivers - and those are the
only way to get 3D acceleration with some cards. (Most nVidia cards
as well as pretty much anything new and hot.) I’m not sure if this
includes the TNT cards, but there was no driver for my GeForce2 GTS.

If you don’t want to buy the “full version” of Mandrake, you’re on
your own, but it’s still possible to get it to work, of course.
You’ll have to download nVidia’s drivers and install them manually,
like you would on any other distro that doesn’t include non-Free
drivers.

As to performance, in my limited experience (Q3A and RTCW mostly,
although I’ve tried some Free OpenGL games), OpenGL on Linux usually
runs as fast as, or faster than on Windows. The closed source drivers
are usually pretty much identical, but some Free/Open Source Linux
drivers are less optimized than the Windows proprietary drivers. Not
much of a problem these days though, as most interesting h/w comes
only with closed source drivers anyway…

If you’re willing to pay for full OpenGL 1.3, high quality, support
and great performance (usually better than with the vendor’s Windows
drivers), try the Xi Graphics drivers for Linux. These are apparently
aimed at professional users, but the prices should be acceptable to
the serious gamer, I think.

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http://olofson.nethttp://www.reologica.se —On Friday 11 April 2003 09.52, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i’ve a tnt riva 2 (32mg).
Mandrake just installed with xfree 4.X runs really slow
(impossible to play it) with xfree 3.x with 3d support
(xperimental) runs slow (impossible to play it) without 3d doesn’t
run.

why should i do? i said this game but all games i tried in linux
goes really slow.

Hi :slight_smile:

must i recompile the kernel with drivers?! wow! now i undertand why people preferes windows xDDDDDD however i will try this. where can i find it?

nVidia has a very good README placed on its websites.
You should read them carefully and do what is described there.

[]s

Adilson.

[Fullquote moved to /dev/null]

HTH and regards,
HaukeAm Fre, 2003-04-11 um 10.32 schrieb ktlliure at netscape.net:

Aus dem Pentagon hei?e es dagegen, jeder Iraker werde nach dem
Selbstmordattentat vom Wochenende als Gegner angesehen, bis er das Gegenteil
bewiesen habe.
(Quelle: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,243047,00.html)

“i’m confused. why people should not use directx ? games goes well with
directx.”

There is no such thing as Direct X on Linux. Correct me if I’m wrong here
(and I do bet I write something wrong!), but SDL is essentially Linux’s
Direct X type solution.

I can’t comment on performance differences between DirectX and SDL but I
expect there will be some. However the main selling point for SDL (for me at
any rate) is the ability to write code that will run on any machine that
supports SDL with just a recompile required. You can’t do that with DirectX.

If I were to have written my games in Direct X it would be a lot more
complicated to port to Linux and X11. However using SDL I can just write a
make file and compile. Someone ported one of my games to BeOS one day
after I had released it onto my website. Again, I doubt you could do it that
quickly if you were porting from Direct X.

With people looking for alternatives to Windows all the time and a lot of
people who would rather not move from BeOS, Amiga, Mac, etc, using something
like SDL only makes sense to me.

Steve :slight_smile:

Hi.

I guess you installed the “downloadable” version of Mandrake. This one
only contains packages for open source stuff.
the drivers you want are closed source drivers. you’ll find them
on www.nvidia.com (graphics drivers/geforce and tnt/linux IA32).

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349

Read carefully this page and the README file, do exactly what
it says and you’ll probably be playing TuxRacer full speed 15
minutes later.

The newest NVidia drivers install themselves and are a dream to use.
BUT, BIG BUT, you MUST configure your /etc/X11/XF86Config file. Usually
you can get by with just commenting out references to all things DRI and
by changing “nv” toOn Fri, 2003-04-11 at 03:45, Rodolphe Suescun wrote:

Rod.

ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

ok then… i must configure my 3dcard to run it well. but… how? when i installed mandrake linux i did it while X configuration. all well, the card was suported, monitor was suported… why doesn’t works well? how can i configure it well?

thanks.

Bill Kendrick wrote:

On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i’m confused. why people should not use directx ? games goes well with directx.

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really slow, i can’t play it.

I had that problem on my Linux box. (Note: I do not have a Windows box)
But that was before my video card was configured properly.
(e.g., it wasn’t doing any 3D accelleration)

Fix your video card configuration, and it should work just as fast (if not
faster) under Linux.

Good luck!

-bill!


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Hi.

I guess you installed the “downloadable” version of Mandrake. This one
only contains packages for open source stuff.
the drivers you want are closed source drivers. you’ll find them
on www.nvidia.com (graphics drivers/geforce and tnt/linux IA32).

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349

Read carefully this page and the README file, do exactly what
it says and you’ll probably be playing TuxRacer full speed 15
minutes later.

The new NVidia drivers are a dream to use. They install themselves,
configure themselves, and even recompile themselves. BUT, you must still
hand edit /etc/X11/XF85Config. Usually you can get by with just
commenting out all things DRI and edit the line that says:

    Driver      "nv"

To read:

    Driver      "nvidia"

In some cases you will need to make more changes than that. So, read the
documentation.

	Bob PendletonOn Fri, 2003-04-11 at 03:45, Rodolphe Suescun wrote:

Rod.

ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

ok then… i must configure my 3dcard to run it well. but… how? when i installed mandrake linux i did it while X configuration. all well, the card was suported, monitor was suported… why doesn’t works well? how can i configure it well?

thanks.

Bill Kendrick wrote:

On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 03:14:42AM -0400, ktlliure at netscape.net wrote:

i’m confused. why people should not use directx ? games goes well with directx.

i played Tux Racer running windows and it goes really good but I tried also in the same pc running linux (mandrake 9) and it goes really slow, i can’t play it.

I had that problem on my Linux box. (Note: I do not have a Windows box)
But that was before my video card was configured properly.
(e.g., it wasn’t doing any 3D accelleration)

Fix your video card configuration, and it should work just as fast (if not
faster) under Linux.

Good luck!

-bill!


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