Dear guys
Am working on 3 projects just now:
Small Doom (a multiplayer opengl Doom programmed from scratch)
Tanks n Stuff (port of old Amiga classic game)
Carmageddon (porting Carmageddon to SDL)
Am looking for helpers for porting Carmageddon. I’ve seen many ports like
FreeCNC, FreeCraft, etc. and thought it would be a good idea to port
Carmageddon. Is there any l33t programmers out there who can help me.
Most appreciated.
Kev
Couldn’t resist:
`if you think you are l33t you are n00b…’
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Tanks N Stuff RULED!! 
You’ve gotta do a port of that… :)) I was going to, but my current
projects are taking up all my time :)> -----Original Message-----
From: K Cheng [SMTP:s9811102 at sms.ed.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:13 AM
To: sdl at libsdl.org
Subject: [SDL] l33t programmers neededDear guys
Am working on 3 projects just now:
Small Doom (a multiplayer opengl Doom programmed from scratch)
Tanks n Stuff (port of old Amiga classic game)
Carmageddon (porting Carmageddon to SDL)Am looking for helpers for porting Carmageddon. I’ve seen many ports like
FreeCNC, FreeCraft, etc. and thought it would be a good idea to port
Carmageddon. Is there any l33t programmers out there who can help me.Most appreciated.
Kev
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Carmageddon, when was the source released for that one ? I’d love to help on
Carmageddon.
/Line72On Sunday 16 February 2003 6:13 pm, K Cheng wrote:
Dear guys
Am working on 3 projects just now:
Small Doom (a multiplayer opengl Doom programmed from scratch)
Tanks n Stuff (port of old Amiga classic game)
Carmageddon (porting Carmageddon to SDL)Am looking for helpers for porting Carmageddon. I’ve seen many ports like
FreeCNC, FreeCraft, etc. and thought it would be a good idea to port
Carmageddon. Is there any l33t programmers out there who can help me.Most appreciated.
Kev
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I don’t think the source was released. Working for Interplay, I have yet to see them release any code without some type of exclusive business agreement with another company… such as Macplay for a Mac conversion. Perhaps a developer was granted the rights and released it themselves. But, my guess would be that when using the word ‘l33t’ in the same sentance as talking about porting… the porting isn’t based on legally approved and released source. 
From: mailinglists@insightbb.com (Mark D’voo)
Reply-To: sdl at libsdl.org
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:24:11 -0600Carmageddon, when was the source released for that one ? I’d love to help on
Carmageddon./Line72
On Sunday 16 February 2003 6:13 pm, K Cheng wrote:
Dear guys
Am working on 3 projects just now:
Small Doom (a multiplayer opengl Doom programmed from scratch)
Tanks n Stuff (port of old Amiga classic game)
Carmageddon (porting Carmageddon to SDL)Am looking for helpers for porting Carmageddon. I’ve seen many ports like
FreeCNC, FreeCraft, etc. and thought it would be a good idea to port
Carmageddon. Is there any l33t programmers out there who can help me.Most appreciated.
Kev
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of course could just be reverse engineering.> ----- Original Message -----
From: thebigcheese@jobybednar.com (Joby Bednar)
To:
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SDL] l33t programmers neededI don’t think the source was released. Working for Interplay, I have yet
to see them release any code without some type of exclusive business
agreement with another company… such as Macplay for a Mac conversion.
Perhaps a developer was granted the rights and released it themselves. But,
my guess would be that when using the word ‘l33t’ in the same sentance as
talking about porting… the porting isn’t based on legally approved and
released source.
- Joby
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Teach them how to program - frustrate them for a lifetime.---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Mark D’voo
Reply-To: sdl at libsdl.org
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:24:11 -0600Carmageddon, when was the source released for that one ? I’d love to
help onCarmageddon.
/Line72
On Sunday 16 February 2003 6:13 pm, K Cheng wrote:
Dear guys
Am working on 3 projects just now:
Small Doom (a multiplayer opengl Doom programmed from scratch)
Tanks n Stuff (port of old Amiga classic game)
Carmageddon (porting Carmageddon to SDL)Am looking for helpers for porting Carmageddon. I’ve seen many ports
likeFreeCNC, FreeCraft, etc. and thought it would be a good idea to port
Carmageddon. Is there any l33t programmers out there who can help me.Most appreciated.
Kev
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He also seems to consider “FreeCNC” and “FreeCraft” ‘ports’, rather than
’workalikes’ (which is what they are), so he probably just meant
"a Carmageddon workalike" :^)
-bill!On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 10:21:12AM -0800, Joby Bednar wrote:
I don’t think the source was released. Working for Interplay, I have yet to see them release any code without some type of exclusive business agreement with another company… such as Macplay for a Mac conversion. Perhaps a developer was granted the rights and released it themselves. But, my guess would be that when using the word ‘l33t’ in the same sentance as talking about porting… the porting isn’t based on legally approved and released source.
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Dear guys
Am working on 3 projects just now:
Small Doom (a multiplayer opengl Doom programmed from scratch)
Tanks n Stuff (port of old Amiga classic game)
Carmageddon (porting Carmageddon to SDL)Am looking for helpers for porting Carmageddon. I’ve seen many ports like
FreeCNC, FreeCraft, etc. and thought it would be a good idea to port
Carmageddon. Is there any l33t programmers out there who can help me.
Porting to what? From what? What license agreements have you actually
signed. Who is paying for this? What’s in it for the “l33t” programmers
who participate?
What qualifies one as a “l33t” programmer?
Bob PendletonOn Sun, 2003-02-16 at 18:13, K Cheng wrote:
Most appreciated.
Kev
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Heh… Not using terms like “l33t” probably make you MUCH more of a 'l33t’
programmer. ;^)
-bill!On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:56:10AM -0600, Bob Pendleton wrote:
What qualifies one as a “l33t” programmer?
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What qualifies one as a “l33t” programmer?
Heh… Not using terms like “l33t” probably make you MUCH more of a 'l33t’
programmer. ;^)
Yeah, It is like being a black belt, any idiot can go buy a gee with a
black belt, but only a master in the art can say that you are truly a
black belt. And both masters and students will recognize your rank even
if you are not wearing it. Wearing a rank you have not earned makes you
look like a fool to anyone who has enough knowledge to recognize your
true rank. It dishonors you, not the rank. Rank can only be given from
the outside by the community. It can never be claimed by the individual.
Bob PendletonOn Tue, 2003-02-18 at 12:24, Bill Kendrick wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:56:10AM -0600, Bob Pendleton wrote:
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i thought masters were 5th degree and higher? (;
black belt is only the bottom of the mountain, when youve earned the right
to start learning the cool stuff :P> ----- Original Message -----
From: bob@pendleton.com (Bob Pendleton)
To: “SDL Mailing List”
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SDL] l33t programmers neededOn Tue, 2003-02-18 at 12:24, Bill Kendrick wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:56:10AM -0600, Bob Pendleton wrote:
What qualifies one as a “l33t” programmer?
Heh… Not using terms like “l33t” probably make you MUCH more of a
’l33t’programmer. ;^)
Yeah, It is like being a black belt, any idiot can go buy a gee with a
black belt, but only a master in the art can say that you are truly a
black belt. And both masters and students will recognize your rank even
if you are not wearing it. Wearing a rank you have not earned makes you
look like a fool to anyone who has enough knowledge to recognize your
true rank. It dishonors you, not the rank. Rank can only be given from
the outside by the community. It can never be claimed by the individual.Bob Pendleton
-bill!
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i thought masters were 5th degree and higher? (;
Well, masters… I’m used to the idea that there are no real masters
at all. Even Sensei Taiji Kase (9th dan) says he fears/respects some
old guy in the mountains…
Anyway, for those not familiar with these degrees at all; I (used to)
have 5th kyu in Shotokan - and that’s just halfway to black. It
is/was the first blue belt with the WKSA standard. (These colors are
a total mess and differ between styles and organisations… Rather
annoying.) There are ten kyu degrees (10th; white though 1st; (3rd)
brown), followed by ten dan degrees (1st through 10th), and the
latter are all black belts.
BTW, it generally takes about N+1 years to advance from Nth dan to
N+1, at least in Shotokan. Not for people lacking patience…
black belt is only the bottom of the mountain, when youve earned
the right to start learning the cool stuff
Yeah. You have to learn all the basic techniques before you can begin
to actually understand them - which applies to both arts. I’m not
sure about programming (someone else will have to tell ;-), but I
definitely consider myself a beginner in Karate. When you see Sensei
Taiji Kase [9th dan; highest rank in Shotokan today] in action in
real life, you realize why even high black belts consider themselves
"beginners"… hehe
Uhm, we’re not off topic here, are we…?
/me signs off and runs for cover.
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— http://olofson.net — http://www.reologica.se —On Tuesday 18 February 2003 21.42, Atrix Wolfe wrote:
i thought masters were 5th degree and higher? (;
That is correct. But, all are students. No matter how good you get at
anything, when you stop learning and stop challenging yourself, you are
dead.
black belt is only the bottom of the mountain, when you’ve earned the right
to start learning the cool stuff
I think it is more correct to say it is the level at which you have
learned enough to be trusted to teach others. When you have learned
enough to know how little you actually know.
All of this applies to all areas, including game programming.
Bob PendletonOn Tue, 2003-02-18 at 14:42, Atrix Wolfe wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: “Bob Pendleton” <@Bob_Pendleton>
To: “SDL Mailing List”
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SDL] l33t programmers neededOn Tue, 2003-02-18 at 12:24, Bill Kendrick wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:56:10AM -0600, Bob Pendleton wrote:
What qualifies one as a “l33t” programmer?
Heh… Not using terms like “l33t” probably make you MUCH more of a
’l33t’programmer. ;^)
Yeah, It is like being a black belt, any idiot can go buy a gee with a
black belt, but only a master in the art can say that you are truly a
black belt. And both masters and students will recognize your rank even
if you are not wearing it. Wearing a rank you have not earned makes you
look like a fool to anyone who has enough knowledge to recognize your
true rank. It dishonors you, not the rank. Rank can only be given from
the outside by the community. It can never be claimed by the individual.Bob Pendleton
-bill!
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I agree with you 100%, Bob. But aren’t y’all beating this OT thread to death?
JeffOn Tuesday 18 February 2003 06:37 pm, you wrote:
That is correct. But, all are students. No matter how good you get at
anything, when you stop learning and stop challenging yourself, you are
dead.
I think it is more correct to say it is the level at which you have
learned enough to be trusted to teach others. When you have learned
enough to know how little you actually know.
All of this applies to all areas, including game programming.
Bob Pendleton