SDL 1.2 status?

Jeremiah wrote:

Why isn’t all the obsolete/old hardware that being ejected into a black hole somewhere?

Because throwing away perfectly working hardware, no matter how old, is stupid.

Jeremiah wrote:
Why isn’t all the obsolete/old hardware that being ejected into a black hole somewhere?

Because throwing away perfectly working hardware, no matter how old, is stupid.


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Of course it is stupid. I love old computers, for example. I am getting a NeXTstation in about a month. I might actually try to port SDL 1.2 to NeXTSTEP.On May 28, 2010, at 11:09:17.00, BenoitRen wrote:



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you could actually try to port sdl 1.3, as sdl 1.2 is going to end…
btw do you think you could trim this silly signature, especially for 1 line
emails?

about the 2.4 kernel, it was kept around because at that time it was still
more widespread than 2.6 and drivers weren’t yet updated
then it was kept around as it was kind smaller and performed better on
embedded devices (routers and what not)
nowadays it makes really really little sense to use a 2.4 kernel in a
production environment.

and it will be the same for sdl1.2 after a couple of years past sdl 1.3
release

jm2c
VittorioOn Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Kikolani wrote:

On May 28, 2010, at 11:09:17.00, BenoitRen wrote:

Of course it is stupid. I love old computers, for example. I am getting a
NeXTstation in about a month. I might actually try to port SDL 1.2 to
NeXTSTEP.



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Bob wrote:

Seriously, do you have any idea how rude it is to ask that people to do
work for you with out offering to pay for that work? It just is not done.

Seriously, do you have any idea how it is to barge into a thread without
reading it, making a ton of assumptions, and then chew out everyone that
posted in it? We aren’t demanding anything. We’re thinking about the
possibility of having a separate SDL 1.2 team formed by the community so Sam
doesn’t have to put any more time into it, and can concentrate on SDL 1.3
and his job.

I’ve been using email since '81. That means I have had the opportunity to
see, and even commit, most every kind of mistake it is possible to see on a
mailing list. So, yes, I do know exactly what you are talking about. OTOH,
to the best of my knowledge I read every post in the thread before I posted.
What is saw appeared to me to be list of demands, not a list of suggestions,
nor did I see anyone volunteering to help.

Did you make the mistake of assuming that I replied without reading it
because I didn’t respond to the last post in the thread? Modern mail readers
make it very easy to read an entire thread and then reply to specific posts.
Doing that usually leads to more effective communications. In this case it
didn’t.

If you are volunteering to help with SDL then more power to you. Please do.
Let Sam know what you can do and get to it.

I have spent several years working on SDL, starting in, IIRC 2002, wrote and
published several articles on the subject, and I’ve written a couple or
three add ons. So, I know just how much work there is to do and I know how
few people are doing it. I’ve been away from the list for a while now due to
health problems that have been hard to diagnose and even harder to live
with. For that reason I do not recognize you and I am not aware of your
contributions to SDL. That was a real mistake on my part.

I released my first piece of open source software in '88. That means that I
have had 22 years of experience with random people sending me email telling
me what they wanted added to my code, demanding “bug fixes” where the bugs
indicate their own lack of knowledge, and demanding support for “the product
they paid for” when they haven’t paind anyone a dime. The list is really
long and rediculous. You know what? Not one of them ever offered to pay me
for what they wanted. Several did volunteer to help. Not one of them ever
anything but waste my time. I guess I have become overly sensitve to
conversations that sound just like more of that same old crap.

Seriously though, if you can help please do.

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Sorry to hear that, Bob. You’ve been one of the bright lights in SDL ever
since I joined the mailing list many years ago. Please keep us posted on the
outcome. I’m sure many others on the list also wish you the best.

JeffOn Friday 28 May 2010 20:14, Bob Pendleton wrote:

I’ve been away from the list for a while now due to health problems
that have been hard to diagnose and even harder to live with.

I released my first piece of open source software in '88. That means that I have had 22 years of experience with random people sending me email telling me what they wanted added to my code, demanding “bug fixes” where the bugs indicate their own lack of knowledge, and demanding support for “the product they paid for” when they haven’t paind anyone a dime. The list is really long and rediculous. You know what? Not one of them ever offered to pay me for what they wanted. Several did volunteer to help. Not one of them ever anything but waste my time. I guess I have become overly sensitve to conversations that sound just like more of that same old crap.

Well, I don’t think that’s ridiculous. If you are interested in your own software, you would most likely want to fix any bugs your users reported, even if they don’t pay for it.On May 29, 2010, at 7:14:23.00, Bob Pendleton wrote:

I released my first piece of open source software in '88. That means that I have had 22 years of experience with random people sending me email telling me what they wanted added to my code, demanding “bug fixes” where the bugs indicate their own lack of knowledge, and demanding support for “the product they paid for” when they haven’t paind anyone a dime. The list is really long and rediculous. You know what? Not one of them ever offered to pay me for what they wanted. Several did volunteer to help. Not one of them ever anything but waste my time. I guess I have become overly sensitve to conversations that sound just like more of that same old crap.

Well, I don’t think that’s ridiculous. If you are interested in your own software, you would most likely want to fix any bugs your users reported, even if they don’t pay for it.

Yes, you might think that. And, the fact is that I do, and always
have, fixed bugs that users found.

The thing is that users will report bugs that are not bugs. I believe
you may have missed that part of the meaning of my last post.
Sometimes a user will decide that your code is supposed to do
something other that what it actually does. Then they will report a
bug when there is no bug. The only problem is that they do not
understand what the code actually does.

It is rather like taking a submarine for a drive and complaining that
it can’t do 90 on the freeway. No matter what anyone might believe it
is not a bug for a submarine to operate poorly on the freeway. That is
the kind of bug I was talking about. I have dealt with people who
firmly believed that my code was supposed to do something that it just
was not designed for. It is frustrating.

The first piece of code I released was called ILE. It sat on top of a
dumb shell and gave you all sorts of nice ways to edit the input line
and keep a history. Things that pretty much all shells do today. Which
is why it is kind of hard to find any more. I had one fellow, and his
wife, who kept trying to get me to tell them how to turn it into an
Ada compiler. Except that they wanted me to “show” them by writing
most of the code and writing “simple” step by step instructions to do
the rest of the job. They really did not understand the difference.
The scary part was that they worked for the same company that I did.
They kept bugging me until they were both fired.

It seems their managers did not like the fact that they were trying to
build an Ada compiler on company time. :slight_smile:

I really wish that wasn’t a true story. But it is true story.

Bob PendletonOn Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Kikolani wrote:

On May 29, 2010, at 7:14:23.00, Bob Pendleton wrote:


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All the best to you Bob. I hope everything goes well.

PauloOn Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Jeff Post <j_post at pacbell.net> wrote:

On Friday 28 May 2010 20:14, Bob Pendleton wrote:

I’ve been away from the list for a while now due to health problems
that have been hard to diagnose and even harder to live with.

Sorry to hear that, Bob. You’ve been one of the bright lights in SDL ever
since I joined the mailing list many years ago. Please keep us posted on
the
outcome. I’m sure many others on the list also wish you the best.

Jeff


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You haven’t seen my submarines :wink:

Jonny DOn Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Bob Pendleton wrote:

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Kikolani wrote:

On May 29, 2010, at 7:14:23.00, Bob Pendleton wrote:

I released my first piece of open source software in '88. That means
that I have had 22 years of experience with random people sending me email
telling me what they wanted added to my code, demanding “bug fixes” where
the bugs indicate their own lack of knowledge, and demanding support for
"the product they paid for" when they haven’t paind anyone a dime. The list
is really long and rediculous. You know what? Not one of them ever offered
to pay me for what they wanted. Several did volunteer to help. Not one of
them ever anything but waste my time. I guess I have become overly sensitve
to conversations that sound just like more of that same old crap.

Well, I don’t think that’s ridiculous. If you are interested in your own
software, you would most likely want to fix any bugs your users reported,
even if they don’t pay for it.

Yes, you might think that. And, the fact is that I do, and always
have, fixed bugs that users found.

The thing is that users will report bugs that are not bugs. I believe
you may have missed that part of the meaning of my last post.
Sometimes a user will decide that your code is supposed to do
something other that what it actually does. Then they will report a
bug when there is no bug. The only problem is that they do not
understand what the code actually does.

It is rather like taking a submarine for a drive and complaining that
it can’t do 90 on the freeway. No matter what anyone might believe it
is not a bug for a submarine to operate poorly on the freeway. That is
the kind of bug I was talking about. I have dealt with people who
firmly believed that my code was supposed to do something that it just
was not designed for. It is frustrating.

The first piece of code I released was called ILE. It sat on top of a
dumb shell and gave you all sorts of nice ways to edit the input line
and keep a history. Things that pretty much all shells do today. Which
is why it is kind of hard to find any more. I had one fellow, and his
wife, who kept trying to get me to tell them how to turn it into an
Ada compiler. Except that they wanted me to “show” them by writing
most of the code and writing “simple” step by step instructions to do
the rest of the job. They really did not understand the difference.
The scary part was that they worked for the same company that I did.
They kept bugging me until they were both fired.

It seems their managers did not like the fact that they were trying to
build an Ada compiler on company time. :slight_smile:

I really wish that wasn’t a true story. But it is true story.

Bob Pendleton


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You haven’t seen my submarines :wink:

Enough jokes, let’s take what he said seriously.On May 29, 2010, at 17:28:57.00, Jonathan Dearborn wrote:

Who says you can’t take it seriously and still have a sense of humor?

JeffOn Saturday 29 May 2010 07:30, Kikolani wrote:

On May 29, 2010, at 17:28:57.00, Jonathan Dearborn wrote:

You haven’t seen my submarines :wink:

Enough jokes, let’s take what he said seriously.

You haven’t seen my submarines :wink:

I remember a Three Stooges movie that featured a machine that was a
cross between a submarine, a tank, and a helicopter. I always wanted
one of those. :slight_smile:

Bob P.On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Jonathan Dearborn wrote:

Jonny D

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Bob Pendleton <@Bob_Pendleton> wrote:

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Kikolani wrote:

On May 29, 2010, at 7:14:23.00, Bob Pendleton wrote:

I released my first piece of open source software in '88. That means
that I have had 22 years of experience with random people sending me email
telling me what they wanted added to my code, demanding “bug fixes” where
the bugs indicate their own lack of knowledge, and demanding support for
"the product they paid for" when they haven’t paind anyone a dime. The list
is really long and rediculous. You know what? Not one of them ever offered
to pay me for what they wanted. Several did volunteer to help. Not one of
them ever anything but waste my time. I guess I have become overly sensitve
to conversations that sound just like more of that same old crap.

Well, I don’t think that’s ridiculous. If you are interested in your own
software, you would most likely want to fix any bugs your users reported,
even if they don’t pay for it.

Yes, you might think that. And, the fact is that I do, and always
have, fixed bugs that users found.

The thing is that users will report bugs that are not bugs. I believe
you may have missed that part of the meaning of my last post.
Sometimes a user will decide that your code is supposed to do
something other that what it actually does. Then they will report a
bug when there is no bug. The only problem is that they do not
understand what the code actually does.

It is rather like taking a submarine for a drive and complaining that
it can’t do 90 on the freeway. No matter what anyone might believe it
is not a bug for a submarine to operate poorly on the freeway. That is
the kind of bug I was talking about. I have dealt with people who
firmly believed that my code was supposed to do something that it just
was not designed for. It is frustrating.

The first piece of code I released was called ILE. It sat on top of a
dumb shell and gave you all sorts of nice ways to edit the input line
and keep a history. Things that pretty much all shells do today. Which
is why it is kind of hard to find any more. I had one fellow, and his
wife, who kept trying to get me to tell them how to turn it into an
Ada compiler. Except that they wanted me to “show” them by writing
most of the code and writing “simple” step by step instructions to do
the rest of the job. They really did not understand the difference.
The scary part was that they worked for the same company that I did.
They kept bugging me until they were both fired.

It seems their managers did not like the fact that they were trying to
build an Ada compiler on company time. :slight_smile:

I really wish that wasn’t a true story. But it is true story.

Bob Pendleton


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You haven’t seen my submarines :wink:

Enough jokes, let’s take what he said seriously.

Who says you can’t take it seriously and still have a sense of humor?

Not me.

Bob P.On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Post <j_post at pacbell.net> wrote:

On Saturday 29 May 2010 07:30, Kikolani wrote:

On May 29, 2010, at 17:28:57.00, Jonathan Dearborn wrote:

Jeff


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