Which commercial games uses SDL

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On the Loki’s products page ( http://www.lokigames.com/products/ )
which games make use of SDL? All of them or only some of them? Can Sam,
on someone else name which ones do.

Also what other commercial games, Windows, Linux or other, make use of SDL.

Thanks,

Dominique.
JEDI-SDL := http://www.sf.net/projects/jedi-sdl/

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Hi,

Dominique Louis wrote:

On the Loki’s products page ( http://www.lokigames.com/products/ ) which
games make use of SDL?

I am surprised the lokiwebsite is still running, did that get paid for
many months in advance or something?

All of them or only some of them? Can Sam, on
someone else name which ones do.

Also what other commercial games, Windows, Linux or other, make use of SDL.

There are many, I have released a port myself.

Spheres of Chaos! http://www.chaotica.u-net.com/ probably the most
psychadelic game ever created! It combines old-school style with
hectic, fast-paced, and rather colourful arcade action! See sreenshots
at http://www.chaotica.u-net.com/

You can download it for free to try it out at:
http://www.chaotica.u-net.com/page/dnld_ps2.htm

Cheers

JG

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one way to find out is to visit www.libsdl.org. The games which
used SDL are listed there. You will have to sort through a big
list, though.On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Dominique Louis wrote:

On the Loki’s products page ( http://www.lokigames.com/products/ )
which games make use of SDL? All of them or only some of them? Can Sam,
on someone else name which ones do.

Also what other commercial games, Windows, Linux or other, make use of SDL.

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one way to find out is to visit www.libsdl.org. The games which
used SDL are listed there. You will have to sort through a big
list, though.

Would you mind telling me where on the SDL site that list is? I have
followed every link from the main page and I cannot find a list of
commercial games anywhere on the SDL site.

	Bob PendletonOn Thu, 2003-02-13 at 22:33, Pallav Nawani wrote:

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Dominique Louis wrote:

On the Loki’s products page ( http://www.lokigames.com/products/ )
which games make use of SDL? All of them or only some of them? Can Sam,
on someone else name which ones do.

Also what other commercial games, Windows, Linux or other, make use of SDL.

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i dont think theres a list of ONLY commercial games, but the games lists all
games, including commercial ones.

It would be nice to have a list of commercial games using sdl though or if
that was a search parameter or something.> ----- Original Message -----

From: bob@pendleton.com (Bob Pendleton)
To: “SDL Mailing List”
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SDL] Which commercial games uses SDL…

On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 22:33, Pallav Nawani wrote:

one way to find out is to visit www.libsdl.org. The games which
used SDL are listed there. You will have to sort through a big
list, though.

Would you mind telling me where on the SDL site that list is? I have
followed every link from the main page and I cannot find a list of
commercial games anywhere on the SDL site.

Bob Pendleton

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Dominique Louis wrote:

On the Loki’s products page ( http://www.lokigames.com/products/ )
which games make use of SDL? All of them or only some of them? Can
Sam,

on someone else name which ones do.

Also what other commercial games, Windows, Linux or other, make use of
SDL.

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On the sidebar, under “Download”, look under “Games”.

http://www.libsdl.org/games.php

Let’s see if I can start a list for you, based on this…

Obviously, we start with the plethora of releases made by Loki Entertainment.
These used SDL along with, I presume, OpenGL for 3D support:

Civilization: Call to Power
Eric's Ultimate Solitaire
Heretic II
Hereos of Might and Magic III
Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns
MindRover
Myth II: Soulblighter
Postal Plus
Railroad Tycoon II
Rune
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Sim City 3000 Unlimited
Soldier of Fortune
Tribes 2
Unreal Tournament

Then there are some unofficial ports of some commerical games
from Icculus.org:

Alien vs. Predator
Wolfenstein 3D

Hardcore Processing has some interesting titles; a few of them seem
to be made for food products (Sunkist puzzle, for example):

ABC Expedition
Billy the Kid
Leaf Invaders
The Sunkist Puzzle

Creature Labs has released ‘Docking Station,’ which is actually a free
game that uses SDL:

Docking Station

Then there are some other titles from various companies.
Some titles are well-known (Raptor, Hopkins FBI, Tux Racer, Shogo),
others are a little more obscure, I suppose… [*]

Deep Wars No Substance Software
Feyna’s Quest Eldwood
Hopkins F.B.I. MP Entertainment
Krilo Black Hole Sun
Raptor Mountain King
Reel Deal Slots Phantom EFX
Shogo: Mobile Armor Division Hyperion
Triptych Chronic Logic
Tux Racer Sunspire Studios
The Word Matrix Norware Solutions

[*] At least, I’m not quite as familiar with them as I could be. It could
simply be a matter of the titles not being for Linux and/or not being
mentioned on the Linux Game Tome (happypenguin.org) or LinuxGames.com
very much. :^)

I hope I got all of the details right! Feel free to correct me if I got
anything wrong.

-bill!On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:38:39PM -0600, Bob Pendleton wrote:

Would you mind telling me where on the SDL site that list is? I have
followed every link from the main page and I cannot find a list of
commercial games anywhere on the SDL site.

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Creatures Docking Station and Creatures 3 for Linux use SDL

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In John Hall’s book, Programming Linux games, he mentioned that Dues Ex
had been ported. I could not find it on the libsdl.org site. Was it
ported and released? Does anyone know what other games did not make it
when Loki closed down?

Thanks,

Dominique.

sdl-request at libsdl.org wrote:> one way to find out is to visit www.libsdl.org. The games which

used SDL are listed there. You will have to sort through a big
list, though.

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BTW,
If the game is released under GPL licence does it implicate that it is not
commercial?
Maybe that would be the right filter? Some games form the general list are not
GPL-ed, some are freeware, which ones are commercial exactly (how to define it,
using linSDL.org descriptions)?

greets,

nellOn Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:51:24PM -0800, Atrix Wolfe wrote:

i dont think theres a list of ONLY commercial games, but the games lists all
games, including commercial ones.

It would be nice to have a list of commercial games using sdl though or if
that was a search parameter or something.

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[free, 2D, flying shooter game]
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Commercial games can be released under the GPL (by putting the data
under a different license). However, it’s very rare.On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 02:25:58AM +0100, Justyna Bia?a wrote:

If the game is released under GPL licence does it implicate that it is not
commercial?
Maybe that would be the right filter? Some games form the general list are not
GPL-ed, some are freeware, which ones are commercial exactly (how to define it,
using linSDL.org descriptions)?

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Glenn Maynard

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SoulRide was just released like that. (I don’t believe it uses SDL, though;
I could be wrong.)

Tux Racer started as an Open Source game, and later releases were kept
closed-source, until the eventual release of the commercial version.

The older, Open Source project has evolved since then, as well…

Not a particularly bad model…On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 08:56:26PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:

Commercial games can be released under the GPL (by putting the data
under a different license). However, it’s very rare.

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Unless its a charity most stuff is commerical. Mandrake, Suse etc even
though they use the GPL does’nt mean they cant be commerical! Thats what
the GPL allows, if you can’t make money from selling your work,
captialism would collapse. GPL just gives customers more rights
regarding what they can do with the software they purchased.

JG> BTW,

If the game is released under GPL licence does it implicate that it is not
commercial?
Maybe that would be the right filter? Some games form the general list are not
GPL-ed, some are freeware, which ones are commercial exactly (how to define it,
using linSDL.org descriptions)?

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Unless its a charity most stuff is commerical. Mandrake, Suse etc even
though they use the GPL does’nt mean they cant be commerical! Thats what
the GPL allows,

With one caveat - you must release your source code. It’s not truly free
if you cannot do with it what you wish. Check the BSD license for a truly
free license.

if you can’t make money from selling your work,
captialism would collapse.

I predict that the GPL monopoly will unfortunately eventually run a lot of
commercial software vendors out of business, effectively destroying it as
a capitalist industry. It’ll take a while, but it’ll happen.

–>Neil-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Synthcom Systems, Inc. king - he’s a prisoner.
ICQ #29402898

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Please don’t try to start a GPL vs. BSD license war here.On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 06:45:26PM -0800, Neil Bradley wrote:

Unless its a charity most stuff is commerical. Mandrake, Suse etc even
though they use the GPL does’nt mean they cant be commerical! Thats what
the GPL allows,

With one caveat - you must release your source code. It’s not truly free
if you cannot do with it what you wish. Check the BSD license for a truly
free license.

–
Glenn Maynard

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Would you mind telling me where on the SDL site that list is? I have
followed every link from the main page and I cannot find a list of
commercial games anywhere on the SDL site.

On the sidebar, under “Download”, look under “Games”.

http://www.libsdl.org/games.php

First off, thank you very much for the information. This is important
for selling the idea of using SDL.

Secondly, yes, I saw that link and I looked at listings for about 50
games. Without knowing the names of the production companies it is not
simple to tell which ones are actually commercial games and which ones
are not. The information is important for establishing credibility for
SDL as a serious commercial platform and not just a hobbyist toy. I know
it is a serious commercial platform, but you would be surprised at how
many people assume that since it is free it “just a toy”.

	Thank You VERY Much

		Bob PendletonOn Fri, 2003-02-14 at 15:46, Bill Kendrick wrote:

On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:38:39PM -0600, Bob Pendleton wrote:

Let’s see if I can start a list for you, based on this…

Obviously, we start with the plethora of releases made by Loki Entertainment.
These used SDL along with, I presume, OpenGL for 3D support:

Civilization: Call to Power
Eric's Ultimate Solitaire
Heretic II
Hereos of Might and Magic III
Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns
MindRover
Myth II: Soulblighter
Postal Plus
Railroad Tycoon II
Rune
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Sim City 3000 Unlimited
Soldier of Fortune
Tribes 2
Unreal Tournament

Then there are some unofficial ports of some commerical games
from Icculus.org:

Alien vs. Predator
Wolfenstein 3D

Hardcore Processing has some interesting titles; a few of them seem
to be made for food products (Sunkist puzzle, for example):

ABC Expedition
Billy the Kid
Leaf Invaders
The Sunkist Puzzle

Creature Labs has released ‘Docking Station,’ which is actually a free
game that uses SDL:

Docking Station

Then there are some other titles from various companies.
Some titles are well-known (Raptor, Hopkins FBI, Tux Racer, Shogo),
others are a little more obscure, I suppose… [*]

Deep Wars No Substance Software
Feyna’s Quest Eldwood
Hopkins F.B.I. MP Entertainment
Krilo Black Hole Sun
Raptor Mountain King
Reel Deal Slots Phantom EFX
Shogo: Mobile Armor Division Hyperion
Triptych Chronic Logic
Tux Racer Sunspire Studios
The Word Matrix Norware Solutions

[*] At least, I’m not quite as familiar with them as I could be. It could
simply be a matter of the titles not being for Linux and/or not being
mentioned on the Linux Game Tome (happypenguin.org) or LinuxGames.com
very much. :^)

I hope I got all of the details right! Feel free to correct me if I got
anything wrong.

-bill!
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though they use the GPL does’nt mean they cant be commerical! Thats what
the GPL allows,
With one caveat - you must release your source code. It’s not truly free
if you cannot do with it what you wish. Check the BSD license for a truly
free license.
Please don’t try to start a GPL vs. BSD license war here.

Not trying to start a war. Only trying to correct misinformation.

–>Neil-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Neil Bradley In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is not
Synthcom Systems, Inc. king - he’s a prisoner.
ICQ #29402898

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Unless its a charity most stuff is commerical. Mandrake, Suse etc even
though they use the GPL does’nt mean they cant be commerical! Thats what
the GPL allows,

With one caveat - you must release your source code. It’s not truly free
if you cannot do with it what you wish. Check the BSD license for a truly
free license.

if you can’t make money from selling your work,
captialism would collapse.

I predict that the GPL monopoly will unfortunately eventually run a lot of
commercial software vendors out of business, effectively destroying it as
a capitalist industry. It’ll take a while, but it’ll happen.

This has wondered far from anything having to do with SDL. Lets drop
this line before it starts yet another license flame war.On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 20:45, Neil Bradley wrote:

–>Neil

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Synthcom Systems, Inc. king - he’s a prisoner.
ICQ #29402898

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seems to me most games are amateur, not commercial. It is games were
talking about right?> ----- Original Message -----

From: jg-lists@jguk.org (J. Grant)
To:
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SDL] Which commercial games uses SDL…

Unless its a charity most stuff is commerical. Mandrake, Suse etc even
though they use the GPL does’nt mean they cant be commerical! Thats what
the GPL allows, if you can’t make money from selling your work,
captialism would collapse. GPL just gives customers more rights
regarding what they can do with the software they purchased.

JG

BTW,
If the game is released under GPL licence does it implicate that it is
not

commercial?
Maybe that would be the right filter? Some games form the general list
are not

GPL-ed, some are freeware, which ones are commercial exactly (how to
define it,

using linSDL.org descriptions)?

SDL mailing list
SDL at libsdl.org
http://www.libsdl.org/mailman/listinfo/sdl

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Yes, but the ones you see for sale in stores are clearly commercial and
are usually produced in a commercial environment, not in someone’s back
room. The games that people have seen in stores and seen ads for in
magazines and TV are the ones they remember and the ones that give a
tool commercial credibility.

	Bob PendletonOn Fri, 2003-02-14 at 22:38, Atrix Wolfe wrote:

seems to me most games are amateur, not commercial. It is games were
talking about right?

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Bob Pendleton wrote:

many people assume that since it is free it “just a toy”.
DirectX is free. Remind them about that.